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Old 10-14-2014, 09:42 PM   #1
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Shotgun carry

I shoot skeet and trap. It'd be a lot more fun and economical if I could ride my bike to the shooting range.

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Is there a way to haul a shotgun on a motorcycle that's fully legal in Calif?

What's the best method for hauling a shotgun on a motorcycle that would be legal, safe and wouldn't harm the gun?
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Old 10-14-2014, 10:33 PM   #2
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I shoot skeet and trap. It'd be a lot more fun and economical if I could ride my bike to the shooting range.

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Is there a way to haul a shotgun on a motorcycle that's fully legal in Calif?

What's the best method for hauling a shotgun on a motorcycle that would be legal, safe and wouldn't harm the gun?
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Old 10-15-2014, 06:28 AM   #3
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Just break it down, put it in a case and strap it on the bike. As long as it's not loaded, nothing illegal about it. Pistol carrying is different. We do ride and shoots all the time, altho' Sporting Clays vs. T & S. I strap mine across the pillion on my Gold wing, but I guess I could carry it vertically with the butt resting on the rear footrest. I my ST1300 I carry it lengthwise over the pillion and rear rack. Just don't make it look like a gun to avoid harassment by an over zealous LEO called by a panicked soccer mom.

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Old 10-15-2014, 09:03 AM   #4
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To be legal it just needs to be unloaded. Best way would be to take off the barrel and put it in a case or some bag that does not look like something that holds a gun. Better if you find a way to lock it to the bike with a cable or something. I have carried a Marlin 39A takedown 22 to the range in a Wolfman beta bag on my DR350 for some target practice, then a couple hours of fireroads after.
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:05 AM   #5
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Are there legal issues with "concealed carry" if it's in a case, or "brandishing" if it's not in a case? And would the laws saying a gun can't be immediately accessible to the vehicle operator be in play when carrying a shotgun on a bike?
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Old 10-15-2014, 01:23 PM   #6
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Follow the suggestions mentioned and you should be fine. Keeping the ammo separate is helpful.

I use a bat bag since folks go to the cages to practice, right? Just makes it look less gunnish as mentioned.

Legally, you could put the ammo in a tail bag and strap it across your back but you prolly don't want to for reasons mentioned.

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Old 10-15-2014, 03:14 PM   #7
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Also make sure you transport it with a trigger lock for that added layer of legality.

Overkill yes, but then again this is california...
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Just mount your gun case/holding bag and ride with it without the gun to see if you get stopped to be checked.
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Old 10-15-2014, 11:59 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the input. I've spoken about this with a officers from various agencies and didn't get a concise answer as to the actual law regarding transporting a shotgun on a motorcycle. Some of these guys had been in law enforcement for many years, and had never experienced this scenario. So I'm guessing if I do get pulled over, the officer is not likely to be familiar with the exact law, so I should be. This is what I've found so far...

Nonconcealable firearms (rifles and shotguns) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 25400 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container. However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported. A rifle or shotgun that is defined as an assault weapon pursuant to Penal Code sections 30510, 30515, or 30520 must be transported in accordance with Penal Code sections 16850, 25610, and 30945, subdivision (g).
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Asking cops about the law is silly. They don't know the law. They are not lawyers. They will tell you the wrong thing and you will get fucked.

Open carry of all firearms is illegal in Ca. Concealed carry is illegal without a permit. To transport any firearm it should be unloaded and in a locked container. A locked container can be your car trunk. I would just put the shotgun in a gun bag and put a lock on the two zippers.

You need to read the laws yourself. Don't trust anyone. Go to calguns.net for a base of people that will point you toward California law.

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Calguns is a website that has lots of good info about guns laws in California and I'm sure this question has come up there.

EDIT, Didn't see the last sentence from the above poster, calguns x2.

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Asking cops about the law is silly. They don't know the law. They are not lawyers. They will tell you the wrong thing and you will get fucked.

Open carry of all firearms is illegal in Ca. Concealed carry is illegal without a permit. To transport any firearm it should be unloaded and in a locked container. A locked container can be your car trunk. I would just put the shotgun in a gun bag and put a lock on the two zippers.

You need to read the laws yourself. Don't trust anyone. Go to calguns.net for a base of people that will point you toward California law.
Trying to clarify here. Open carry of all LOADED firearms, right? I found THIS which even outlaws open carry of UNLOADED HANDGUNS but I couldn't find anything about rifles/shotguns. I went to Calguns and maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything firm about rifle/shotgun unloaded open carry.

You're right, cops can't know everything...neither do lawyers. Both tend to specialize in certain areas of the law with a general knowledge of other things. I'm a perfect example....not current on gun laws but I can run down international money laundering and a bunch of other financial crimes 'cause that's what I've specialized in for 15 of the last 26 years.

If you trust a lawyers advice without checking it yourself....not a good idea.
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Old 10-16-2014, 06:49 PM   #13
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Calguns is a website that has lots of good info about guns laws in California and I'm sure this question has come up there.

EDIT, Didn't see the last sentence from the above poster, calguns x2.
This is a good suggestion. In fact, after reading this, I started a thread on Calguns, asking this same basic question. So far, the replies have only reinforced the concept that the laws tend to put motorcycles in the same category as all other vehicles. To quote myself in that Calgun thread...

"In my opinion, the lack of laws being written to directly define motorcycle firearm carry leaves a lot up to law enforcement and judicial interpretation. Yes, a motorcycle is a "vehicle" so one could try to consider it covered by the laws written to address "vehicles". But in many ways, a motorcycle is very different from a 4-wheeled vehicle, especially when it comes to placing items out of reach, out of view, or locked away."


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