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Old 10-27-2013, 09:04 AM   #181
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Good point about the Bar-10 people being reluctant to sell gas if they are running low. I will need to contact them just before the trip.

I enjoyed the videos. Looked like you might not be having fun heading to Whitmore Overlook.

We had two crashes in the Toroweap silt beds.

Still studying the report and tracks. Days 7 and 8 are very relevant.

Did you happen to notice a rideable road heading down into the canyon from Sowats Point?

Right now my plan for next spring is to hit a couple overlooks on the east rim of Kanab creek canyon and then head south towards Crazy Jug on a road that would take us up to Sowats Point.

Looks like there is a big variety in the quality of roads in this area.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:49 PM   #182
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Dave, I'm glad to read more about your adventures on your KTM after meeting you last year in Alaska! I just finished a 7 day solo ride through the Great Smokey Mountain National Park and Blue Ridge Parkway. Maybe I'll do a RR about some of my trips, but they will never compare to your great story telling and pictures, Fred 1994klr250.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:15 PM   #183
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Hi Fred! Meeting you was part of probably my best riding day ever. Thanks!


wbbnm, I didn't see another road from Sowats, but I wasn't really looking for one.
There are often roads on maps that are now closed in these areas. I don't know about that one.
For instance, ALL of the side roads you see on maps around Toroweap are hiking trails only.
In 2009 there were 2 or 3 long and very deep silt beds just north of the park on Toroweap RD that
would make those little areas of silt in the park seem like nothing. I'm surprised you guys had difficulty
with what's there now. The road in the park hasn't really changed.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:46 AM   #184
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Dave,

I checked the Kaibob travel management map and the road I wanted to try is now in a wilderness area.

BTW you can get all the Kaibob MVUMs here:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/kaibab/maps-pubs/?cid=stelprdb5392529

I have found that MVUMs are really good for trip planning. They are accurate, up-to-date, comprehensive, and free.

That site also has a link to a program that can be used with Garmin GPS devices, but I couldn't get it to load.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:51 PM   #185
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I've been waiting for the official AZBDR route to be released in early 2014. I assume much of what you have experienced will be a part of that route.

10 of us are heading out there this spring having already completed UTBDR and COBDR.

Your report is awesome!!! Thx.

Do you have an opinion on doing 8 days in March, April or May?
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:09 PM   #186
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Great stuff Dave. Just happened upon this report while handing out
trick or treat candy in our neighborhood. I long for ANY BDR and hope
to make a trip like this one day not too far away.

What a treat this was for us readers! Great pics, superb story telling.
Very nice. Thank you. Happy Halloween.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:39 PM   #187
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Thanks guys!

Britome,

From what I know of the AZBDR including the photos released so far, I don't think that route will overlap this route anywhere.
It looks like the AZBDR will follow the Great Western Trail some, and include the areas east of the Grand Canyon on the Navajo Reservation along the Little Colorado River Gorge. Its likely to be more of a south to north route all the way from the Southern Border and up to the UTBDR or COBDR. Think of the "official" GCBAR to be a free alternative or addition to the AZBDR, which I'm sure will also be a fun route.

Timing: The North Rim doesn't open the roads and services until May 15th. Depending on the weather, snowfall, etc. the higher elevations could still be snowy, muddy, and really cold. Late May to Mid-June would be a good tentative time frame, but having flexibility in your timing and keeping an eye on the weather would be best. The roads out to Point Sublime are known to be closed until June or July some years. Some of the locations on the western Strip could be ridden year round, if not muddy.
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Old 11-02-2013, 05:03 AM   #188
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Thanks guys!

Britome,

From what I know of the AZBDR including the photos released so far, I don't think that route will overlap this route anywhere.
It looks like the AZBDR will follow the Great Western Trail some, and include the areas east of the Grand Canyon on the Navajo Reservation along the Little Colorado River Gorge. Its likely to be more of a south to north route all the way from the Southern Border and up to the UTBDR or COBDR. Think of the "official" GCBAR to be a free alternative or addition to the AZBDR, which I'm sure will also be a fun route.

Timing: The North Rim doesn't open the roads and services until May 15th. Depending on the weather, snowfall, etc. the higher elevations could still be snowy, muddy, and really cold. Late May to Mid-June would be a good tentative time frame, but having flexibility in your timing and keeping an eye on the weather would be best. The roads out to Point Sublime are known to be closed until June or July some years. Some of the locations on the western Strip could be ridden year round, if not muddy.
Thx for this insight.

Bummer! It looks like our major spring ride will have to be someplace other than the AZBDR. I'm wondering if your route is a possible alternative for an April ride. Do you have any thoughts?
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:28 AM   #189
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Whaoh

Thank you for the compliment for my RR, coming from you, that's a great compliment. Your photos are superb.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:14 PM   #190
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Laugh Late as usual...

....but I'm glad I found this. Dave I always enjoy your AWESOME photography and I appreciate you sharing this with us. I remember following along when you did the ride with your son. Again, awesome job and thanks for sharing.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:48 PM   #191
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:33 PM   #192
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Uh oh!
I get to practice my first ever trail-side tube replacement. Its the very first flat on this bike.
I usually mount my own tires so that I'll be practiced in how to do it when this day comes.
I always wondered if I would be able to break the bead, but the new Motion Pro BeadPRO tools work awesome.
Well, that does it, been hymning & hawing about getting one of this, sold
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:50 AM   #193
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Epic Report! Thanks for the Tracks!!!!!!!
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:11 AM   #194
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Burma-Shave ;-)

Reminds me of "The world's fastest Indian".

Great photography. Thanks for sharing.

For those who were in a cave when the film came out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Yy1vihIKs
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:38 AM   #195
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Great movie!

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Burma-Shave ;-)

Reminds me of "The world's fastest Indian".

Great photography. Thanks for sharing.

For those who were in a cave when the film came out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Yy1vihIKs
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