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Old 03-09-2014, 06:51 AM   #16
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I was planning on buying the AltRider pillion rack and maybe the luggage rack, but I have Varios side cases. Their website now says that the pillion rack is not compatible with Vario side cases. Does anyone know why?
I don't know for sure, but see how the pillion rack extends out to the sides of the most forward mounting points of the silver rack arms? Maybe that extends into where the Varios would be?

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Old 03-09-2014, 08:13 AM   #17
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I have the Altrider racks and the Vario side bags. The Vario bags will not work with either of the Altrider racks. The one exception is that the rear rack will work in the upper position. I will post up photos if it's requested.
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Old 03-09-2014, 11:11 AM   #18
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I have the AltRider luggage system and Varios.

With AltRider Pillion Rack in place and Rear Luggage rack in what us described as the "upper position" ie mounted with the OEM BMW rack in place, Varios fit just fine, used every day come rain or shine.

If I could work out how to post pics on this forum I would, PM me and I'll happily email if interested.

By the way, the AltRider system just rocks (and despite my also owning (damn 's) over (lesser) designs to include Touratech.

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Old 03-09-2014, 11:58 AM   #19
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I see from other posts that you have a jesse top box? Did you mount the top box directly to the altrider rack? If not, what hardware did you use?
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Old 03-12-2014, 07:53 PM   #21
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I don't know for sure, but see how the pillion rack extends out to the sides of the most forward mounting points of the silver rack arms? Maybe that extends into where the Varios would be?

I called the company to ask for an explanation. I was told that the pillion rack is too wide at the forward mounting points, just as you describe. According to the gentleman I spoke with, the rack hits the Vario Cases, preventing proper attachment of the rack to the mounting point. I am hoping that I can find a solution that will work for me. I like to carry my load closer to me, as opposed to the tail end of the bike. I also like the rack because it has many points available for strap attachment. What, if anything, are you using under the rack to cover up the hole that exposes some of the electronics?
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Old 03-12-2014, 07:55 PM   #22
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I have the Altrider racks and the Vario side bags. The Vario bags will not work with either of the Altrider racks. The one exception is that the rear rack will work in the upper position. I will post up photos if it's requested.

Please post your photos. I would really appreciate it.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:34 AM   #23
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I see from other posts that you have a jesse top box? Did you mount the top box directly to the altrider rack? If not, what hardware did you use?
I have not yet mounted a top case to the GSW. So far, when the side bags haven't been enough, I have used Rok straps to hold a dry bag on the rack and that has worked well.

To answer GSDiva's question, I rode around for a while with the pillion rack in place and it didn't cause any problems. IMHO, there is nothing in that "hole" that can be damaged by a little rain. Lately, I went back to having a seat there because my girlfriend likes to ride with me.
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:18 PM   #24
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Please post your photos. I would really appreciate it.
I have not given this subject the respect it deserves, I apologize for that and will try to rectify same.
The rear piece of the 2 piece Altrider luggage rack will fit in the upper (mounted on the OEM BMW rack), this is already known. This same rear piece will not fit in the low position with the Vario bags as shown here.





I previously said that the pillion portion of the Altrider rack would not fit with the Vario bags. I was wrong. As is shown here it does work. There are a few things to note.
- The pillion rack must be removed, or at least lifted up a fair distance in order to remove or install the Vario bags. Not a big deal but you need to know.
-There is lots of clearance to the bag in the rear but just around .065" in the front. The front of the rack may contact the bag once weight is applied, not sure as i did not try that. if that is a problem i will relieve the rack a bit.
- Actually creates a nice flat surface across the Vario bags for other luggage.
- If you want to use the pillion rack in conjunction with a low rear rack then a different rear rack will be needed (one that clears the rear Vario mounts).






If you fit the BMW rack with the pillion rack, removing the Vario bags is more difficult as you will have to unscrew/remove the BMW rack, then lift the pillion rack before the Varios will come off. Good if you never remove the bags, not so good otherwise. The pillion rack also contacts the BMW rack a little as shown (at least it does on my bike), so relieve that spot a bit.






Hope this helps
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:00 PM   #25
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I have not given this subject the respect it deserves, I apologize for that and will try to rectify same.
The rear piece of the 2 piece Altrider luggage rack will fit in the upper (mounted on the OEM BMW rack), this is already known. This same rear piece will not fit in the low position with the Vario bags as shown here.





I previously said that the pillion portion of the Altrider rack would not fit with the Vario bags. I was wrong. As is shown here it does work. There are a few things to note.
- The pillion rack must be removed, or at least lifted up a fair distance in order to remove or install the Vario bags. Not a big deal but you need to know.
-There is lots of clearance to the bag in the rear but just around .065" in the front. The front of the rack may contact the bag once weight is applied, not sure as i did not try that. if that is a problem i will relieve the rack a bit.
- Actually creates a nice flat surface across the Vario bags for other luggage.
- If you want to use the pillion rack in conjunction with a low rear rack then a different rear rack will be needed (one that clears the rear Vario mounts).






If you fit the BMW rack with the pillion rack, removing the Vario bags is more difficult as you will have to unscrew/remove the BMW rack, then lift the pillion rack before the Varios will come off. Good if you never remove the bags, not so good otherwise. The pillion rack also contacts the BMW rack a little as shown (at least it does on my bike), so relieve that spot a bit.






Hope this helps
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Thank you. It certainly does help. I don't relish the thought of having to unscrew the rack every time I want to install or remove the cases, but for loading the bike up for a trip, they seem perfect - almost. Your pictures are very clear and close-up which is very helpful. I see you have the Varios so you are obviously dealing with the situation. Again, thank you.
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altrider luggage rack system

Great writeup. I am thinking that the ideal use for this system is low-low, nice big flat surface for mounting rotopac, soft bags, tents and what not. Touratech also has a similar rack though it looks to only extend to the tail light, whereas the AltRider goes a good bit beyond. Price is the same. I am also thinking that the Altrider, since it is two pieces means you can put the pillion seat back on and still have the back rack. The Touratech would have nothing since the back rack-pillion rack are one piece. Also, when removing the hand grips you loose that hand hold when moving the bike, that concerns me.

I would love some thoughts and comments, especially from folks that have used either system.
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Old 03-15-2015, 08:30 AM   #27
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Great writeup. I am thinking that the ideal use for this system is low-low, nice big flat surface for mounting rotopac, soft bags, tents and what not. Touratech also has a similar rack though it looks to only extend to the tail light, whereas the AltRider goes a good bit beyond. Price is the same. I am also thinking that the Altrider, since it is two pieces means you can put the pillion seat back on and still have the back rack. The Touratech would have nothing since the back rack-pillion rack are one piece. Also, when removing the hand grips you loose that hand hold when moving the bike, that concerns me.

I would love some thoughts and comments, especially from folks that have used either system.
I have the long Touratech rack, the one that takes the place of the passenger seat and the factory luggage rack on my '15 GS. I liked the AltRider rack except that it won't work with the Vario cases if the rear section is put on in the low position. I missed the long, almost flat area of my old GSA for luggage when the passenger seat was removed. I would have preferred the AltRider setup as it would have given me a small luggage area even with the passenger seat installed but it won't work with the Vario cases when installed in the low position.

The Touratech rack will work with the Vario cases. It must be removed to put the Vario cases on or remove them but it only takes a few seconds to do that. The Touratech rack doesn't extend quite far enough rearward in my opinion. It stops an inch or so forward of the rear face of the tail light. I would have extended it that bit so that it reached to or slightly beyond the tail light. Also, if they had narrowed it just 1/8" to 1/4" where the rear tie down points are it wouldn't have to be removed to install or remove the Vario cases.

Also, with the Touratech rack or the AltRider rack in the low position you do lose the passenger grab points which could be an issue in those states that require them.
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The one piece Touratech rack. The AltRider rack has the advantage of still having a luggage area with tie downs at the rear even with the passenger seat installed but it won't work with the Vario cases when the rear section is installed in the low position.
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Great writeup. I am thinking that the ideal use for this system is low-low, nice big flat surface for mounting rotopac, soft bags, tents and what not. Touratech also has a similar rack though it looks to only extend to the tail light, whereas the AltRider goes a good bit beyond. Price is the same. I am also thinking that the Altrider, since it is two pieces means you can put the pillion seat back on and still have the back rack. The Touratech would have nothing since the back rack-pillion rack are one piece. Also, when removing the hand grips you loose that hand hold when moving the bike, that concerns me.

I would love some thoughts and comments, especially from folks that have used either system.
Thanks. I cannot address the low/low setup with anything other than Jesse bags, because that's what I have. If you are running Vario bags, you might want to go like this. The surface of the rear seat is at about the same level as the rack, so you can ties down big things, if you want, and you still have a seat there if you need it.

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Hope this helps
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Just to clear things up a little -- in this picture the pillion rack appears to be very close to the grab handle. We have since updated our design to allow more clearance with the grab handle, based on feedback from customers. However this clearance has moved the outside edge of the rack further outward -- meaning the current generation of pillion rack will definitely contact the Vario cases. Feel free to email me at mitch.p@altrider.com with any questions.

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