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Old 10-17-2013, 08:45 AM   #1
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Video: Why I tend to the shoulder when traffic stops...

http://youtu.be/GBNkimjiaDA

The video description does a fine job of explaining what happened.

My take-aways?

1) Head closer to the shoulder when traffic slows/stops

2) Keep it in gear in case you need an escape

3) Always have an "out" or an escape plan, whatever you want to call it.

Forgive me if this is 205. Incidentally, this was shot at the start of one of the best curvy mountain roads in my area. I've spent many a portion of fuel improving my cornering on this road but it is also rather dangerous due to the occasional chapeau derriere who decides that the double yellow is merely a suggestion.

This video will probably make you jump. Just goes to show how fast things can end up not in your favour.
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Old 10-17-2013, 09:02 AM   #2
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http://youtu.be/GBNkimjiaDA

The video description does a fine job of explaining what happened.

My take-aways?

1) Head closer to the shoulder when traffic slows/stops

2) Keep it in gear in case you need an escape

3) Always have an "out" or an escape plan, whatever you want to call it.

Forgive me if this is 205. Incidentally, this was shot at the start of one of the best curvy mountain roads in my area. I've spent many a portion of fuel improving my cornering on this road but it is also rather dangerous due to the occasional chapeau derriere who decides that the double yellow is merely a suggestion.

This video will probably make you jump. Just goes to show how fast things can end up not in your favour.
Nice, I'm glad you moved over. I would add #4) Keep at least one eye in the mirror anytime you are not moving faster than the cars.
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:27 AM   #3
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Nice, I'm glad you moved over. I would add #4) Keep at least one eye in the mirror anytime you are not moving faster than the cars.
I didn't shoot the video, but I have a friend who knows the guy. My father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:37 AM   #4
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I didn't shoot the video, but I have a friend who knows the guy. My father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
Well, your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate did better than some, but if I saw that truck getting big in my mirror I would have blasted up the shouder, or even off the road completely, both to be clear of flying car parts and also in case the truck decided to go up the shoulder too. He might have done this to avoid the accident if your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate wasn't there blocking the shoulder. Some drivers in the truck's situation might just do it anyway, whether or not there is a motorcycle there. Remember, they usually don't see motorcycles anyway.

We have all probably been in the truck's situation, not seeing that everyone has stopped. Mostly we see it in time, but I have almost hit a few times, even on a bike. Usually it's during a head check to change lanes, look ahead again and they are all stopping. Going around would be my first choice if I found myself in the truck driver's position. Might or might not see the bike.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:10 PM   #5
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What are you talking we've all been in the truck's position? I've never even come close to doing something so wrecklessly stupid, the only thing that even makes sense to me is he was texting or shitfaced drunk. If it were up to me I'd take that fucker's license for a year minimum.
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Old 10-17-2013, 12:19 PM   #6
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The first time I saw this video, I thought the truck at the 21s mark (just after the bridge who decided to cross the double-yellow) was going to be the one causing the issue.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:42 PM   #7
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That was scary...
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:05 PM   #8
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What are you talking we've all been in the truck's position?
I said probably. There are also probably a few perfect people who never make a mistake. I never met one yet, but there are probably some.

At lest some who think they are perfect.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:06 PM   #9
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The first time I saw this video, I thought the truck at the 21s mark (just after the bridge who decided to cross the double-yellow) was going to be the one causing the issue.
No shit, that and all the bikes parked on side of the road. I'd take up golf if that was my best motorcylce riding options in the area that I had. Glad you buddy wasn't the meat of that shit sandwich.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:43 PM   #10
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Around here, when ever someone feels they are going to stop short, they dive for the shoulder. If you're in the way, you will get squashed. Many times I've watch a car come flying up on a car in front of them (texting, etc), and swerve at the last moment, hitting the car to the right. I've also watched them pile up onto each other as they keep diving to the shoulder, instead of actually using their brakes.

I'll agree with having an exit strategy, but disagree that riding onto the shoulder is inherently safest.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:54 PM   #11
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I'll agree with having an exit strategy, but disagree that riding onto the shoulder is inherently safest.
I agree, and I'm inclined to do the same myself in my vehicle. What going to the shoulder allows, however, is a forward escape, provided you're still in gear. Going to the shoulder doesn't necessarily guarantee safety from inattentive motorists but it does give you another avenue of escape.

Honestly, there is no safe place to be. You've still got to keep your awareness up.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:57 PM   #12
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Before the theories get out of hand here.
Let me explain what you are seeing. This happened near where I live and was the subject of a significant debate in the news.

The on-coming cars are in a funeral procession. That's why one of them swerved across the yellow line in the beginning of the video. He was trying to force traffic to stop for the funeral procession.

BUT, stopping for a funeral procession is actually illegal here. Its not enforced, but it is against the law. Its a relatively recent law. No running red lights. No stopping traffic for a funeral. Problem is, generations of people grew up being taught to respect funerals and taught to pull over. Newer, younger drivers are not being taught that.
So, seeing a car at a complete stop on a 55 mph road came as a surprise to the truck that hit the car. NOT DEFENDING THE TRUCK. That asshat needs to slow down and keep aware of the road. But, just saying that they passed the funeral procession law due to these types of events happening at an increasing rate.

The video woke up the debate again.

BTW, I get the point of the OP and agree its a good thing the bikes were on the side of the road. Regardless of all the reasons, I got a good lesson out of it.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:07 PM   #13
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Before the theories get out of hand here.
Let me explain what you are seeing. This happened near where I live and was the subject of a significant debate in the news.
This is Suck Creek Road, TN Hwy 27.

It's a great road, despite what the video shows.

I remember the debate well. Like I mentioned before, the description on the Youtube page does a pretty good job of explaining the background.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:34 PM   #14
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Forgive me if this is 205.
205?!

Are you kidding me?


Where were you the last 6 months, deployed in Antartica or something?
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205?!

Are you kidding me?


Where were you the last 6 months, deployed in Antartica or something?
...possibly?
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