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Old 07-28-2014, 03:09 PM   #241
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I disagree about the lack of sportbike sales, most of those squids never went to the races anyways, it's always been race fans that attended races, no matter what they rode. Back in the heyday of the ama, late 80's through early 2000's, there used to be a fantastic mix of motorcycles at the track, cruisers, dualsports, sportbikes, beemers, etc.
didn't matter what people rode, they were RACE FANS, simple as that. They also weren't stupid, and when the show got stupid, they simple stopped going to the show. Hell, even in the 70's, fans would flock to the track, and the "sportbike" wasn't even invented yet!!
bring back good racing, bring back the factories, bring back the heros, and the fans will return.
Fans pay the tracks' costs to put on the races. Manufacturers pay for race teams and that money comes from bike sales, not ticket sales to fans. Sales of high margin sport bikes relates relates to more money in racing for the U.S. market.

You could have 40,000 paying fans at every AMA round but without those many of those fans (and non-fans) buying tens of thousands of new sportbikes every year (and lots of aftermarket parts) it won't affect what the manufacturers and U.S. Importers spend on racing.
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Old 07-28-2014, 04:00 PM   #242
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A few things come to mind.

1. WSB and motoGP aside, is the rest of the world attending a lot of road racing?

2. At least the rest of the world has some pretty sweet alternatives to sport bikes like the GSX 1400 and the FJR 1300 etc. For whatever reason the US has been a dumping ground for sport bikes for years, if you didn't want one of those or a cruiser, you didn't have a lot of options. Why would anyone buy an FZ1 in the US when they can get a track ready R1 for not much more money. And it's the gift that keeps on giving, I saw 2 GSX 1000's on Craigslist last week for 4-5 grand, 10 year old bikes in very good condition.

3. At least in England a young kid can't just get his MC license and immediately ease on down the road on a 1000cc sport bike.

I don't blame the big 4 for taking advantage of what the US foolishly allows, I'm sure it's more profitable for them to just keep dumping higher numbers of what is easier to sell.
NASCAR and F1 aside does the rest of the world attend auto racing? You can't put MotoGP aside whem the get 100k people at an event. Motorcycling is different in Europe always will be.

I agree with your point about stricter licensing. Should apply to cars too.

I'd buy the FZ1because I'm old and it's more comfortable.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:12 PM   #243
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I'd buy the FZ1because I'm old and it's more comfortable.
Not if you could buy a GSX 1400 or a FJR 1300.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:31 PM   #244
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The FJR is sold here. The GSX 1400 probably wasn't offered because people weren't buying the ZRX or other standards.Did you buy a ZRX when it was offered, Flug? Or an FJR? I love my ZRX and thought about buying an FJR before deciding on a KTM 950. I'm old, too, and they are more comfortable. But, then, we have gone way off subject. We need to get back to bashing DMG for ruining racing here.
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Old 07-28-2014, 08:36 PM   #245
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2. At least the rest of the world has some pretty sweet alternatives to sport bikes like the GSX 1400 and the FJR 1300 etc.
So in the case of the GSX1400, your saying bikes just as powerful, heavier, and yet worse handing than your demonized sportbikes, are not as criminal? You really are a twisted old man, aren't you?
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:20 PM   #246
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So in the case of the GSX1400, your saying bikes just as powerful, heavier, and yet worse handing than your demonized sportbikes, are not as criminal? You really are a twisted old man, aren't you?
In the case of the 1400 the dipshits who ride sport bikes wouldn't look twice at it so it's relatively harmless.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:23 PM   #247
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The FJR is sold here.
Maybe it's the frj it's not the sport tourer it's a 1300 standard upright naked.
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:37 PM   #248
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Maybe it's the frj it's not the sport tourer it's a 1300 standard upright naked.
XJR1300

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Old 07-28-2014, 09:47 PM   #249
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The standard, upright, naked bikes did not sell well here. That is why the Japanese don't bring them here. How many times do you have to be told? They are out to make money, not to have bikes sitting in the showroom. I love naked bikes, but there aren't enough people like me to justify bringing them here. You should have bought one when they did.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:36 AM   #250
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The standard, upright, naked bikes did not sell well here. That is why the Japanese don't bring them here. How many times do you have to be told?
How did Honda do with the 750 from 1970-1980?
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:40 AM   #251
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They are out to make money, not to have bikes sitting in the showroom.
Hence the VFR 1200?

My local Honda dealer won't even bother with Gold Wings because they have like 6 different versions of the thing. Just because the big 4 are in control of what they make and import into the US doesn't mean they know what they're doing.
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:03 PM   #252
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Fans pay the tracks' costs to put on the races.
Ummm, not really. The back gate and media fees cover a whole bunch of costs.
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:32 PM   #253
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Ummm, not really. The back gate and media fees cover a whole bunch of costs.
Since there is very little TV coverage, DMG doesn't have that distraction.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:04 PM   #254
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Ummm, not really. The back gate and media fees cover a whole bunch of costs.
There is no back gate at an AMA Pro road race. Riders and teams don't pay extra to come "in the back gate" at an AMA Pro Road Race. A couple hundred racers and crew would not offset ticket sales to tens of thousands of fans. I don't believe the tracks participate in the "media fees" like in NASCAR. Networks pay to broadcast NASCAR races and those fees are often split with the track. AMA Pro Racing has always had to buy air time for their races so there are no media fees to split with the track. As Motorcyclist mentioned, no TV at all also equates to no media fees.

For AMA Pro, the track (or a promoter like M1) pay AMA Pro to bring their show to the track. The track makes money by selling sponsorships, vendor space and tickets.
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How did Honda do with the 750 from 1970-1980?
Because there wasn't any other kind of streetbike at those times. Geez, myopic much?
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