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Old 04-28-2015, 03:05 AM   #1
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Carnet for competition vehicles.

Howdy all.

Does every competition vehicle shipped overseas require a carnet.
Broad question, hoping for a simple answer, i don't know who to ask or who is a specialist in this stuff.

Vehicle is an Arctic Cat buggy heading Perth to Bangkok and return.
Any knowledge on the cheapest method would also be greatly appreciated. So far we have quotes starting around $2500 one way.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:24 AM   #2
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Thats a really good question. Ill be looking forward to the answers on this...
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:54 AM   #3
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Howdy all.

Does every competition vehicle shipped overseas require a carnet.
Broad question, hoping for a simple answer, i don't know who to ask or who is a specialist in this stuff.

Vehicle is an Arctic Cat buggy heading Perth to Bangkok and return.
Any knowledge on the cheapest method would also be greatly appreciated. So far we have quotes starting around $2500 one way.
Cheers.
Rod.
I would suggest contact these folk: http://www.gibsonfreight.com/index.p...id=6&Itemid=10

As a rule of thumb, a carnet is required for the temporary import/export of any vehichle to another country, in order to address the issue of import/salesduty/tax etc. On a competition vehicle the process is slightly compounded/complicated by the fact the vehicle may/may not have manufacturer VIN/standards ID numbers etc. For closed circuit racing vehicles or the big wigs like F1, SuperV8's etc. the carnet could be of a bonded nature (ie. the vehicles are never really "released" into the public... they arrive at a bonded warehouse (airport) shipped all together to the rece facility - parc fermι blah, blah, blah) and are kept under lock and key for the duration of stay in the country.

But for a rally vehicle - that as part of the competition, will be driven on public roads of the country hosting the event, there are several aspects of insurance, liability, third party etc. that come into play.

Usually a carnet is valid for a maximum period of up to 12 months (though this can be longer) ... it is basically a "bond" lodged on behalf of the vehicle owner, with the customs dept. of the country concerned, against the "determined/nominated value" of the vehicle, to cover what would be the salestax/duty value of the vehicle. (ie to avoid black import of a non- registered vehicle). The carnet is held against proof that the vehicle is subsequently taken back home from the host nation within the 12 month period.

If the vehicle is involved in an accident/damaged irrepairable or written off, it is still a big deal to make sure it is documented, and in fact - in some cases - the authorities will require the carcass to be positively identified or the reamains exported, before the carnet is refunded (even in part).

Gibsons used to do the carnet work for the Australian safari, Rally Oz etc.
as good a start spot as any.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:14 PM   #4
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If commercial, local Chamber of commerce can assist/create carnet. If private, australian RAC.

For example, my bike to South Africa requires a 3000 euro bond and 150 in actual fees. Bond is returned when i return the carnet to the German RAC. (Dutch RAC no longer provides this 'service').

Price you quote must be for shipping I guess, not the carnet.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:24 PM   #5
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Thanks Troy, will get in contact with Gibsons.
We know all about Carnets but know of people going to Dakar without one so this is why l ask the question.
Also there are ATA Carnets which appear to be a cheaper option which are supported by the World Customs Organisation.

Yes the $2500 was freight.

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Old 04-30-2015, 02:29 AM   #6
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Not all Countries require a carnet, for instance they are only recommended in South America (which answers the Dakar question):

This is from the RAC here in the UK:

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"Are you planning to take your vehicle overseas outside Europe?

You may need a Carnet de Passage (customs document).

A Carnet de Passage en Douanes is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle duty-free into countries, which normally require a deposit against import charges for such vehicles (generally countries outside Europe).

RAC is now the only issuer of Carnet de Passage en Douanes in the United Kingdom.

A Carnet is required for travel in:
  • Africa (not required in Tunisia and Morocco)
  • Australia/New Zealand
  • Far East
  • Middle East
  • Recommended in South America
An RAC Carnet is available to anybody normally resident in UK with a UK registered vehicle. Non UK registered vehicles should apply to the motoring club of the country of registration."
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Old 04-30-2015, 04:45 AM   #7
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Although Carnets might be required for some countries, often the rally organisers have a deal going whereby they cover any duty requirements by a bond. This is why we don't need a carnet to go to the UAE for the Desert Challenge, even though a Carnet is required according to the customs rules. The ATCUAE cover the requirement with a bond arrangement - probably by some royal decree because that's the way things can get done over there in the interests of supporting motor-sport. The Australian Government could learn something here!!!

The one time I did need a Carnet to send my bike to NZ for the ISDE in 2006, we managed the process with the Chamber of Commerce in Perth. It was straight forward but in that case we put up a cash bond - huge money for a container with 15 bikes and all the other gear that went with them!!!

I haven't needed a Carnet for my 450RFR that went to the Dakar this year, despite coming back via Argentina, France, Germany, Italy, UAE and Singapore. Mind you, I haven't got it back here yet it's still on the water somewhere!!
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Old 04-30-2015, 07:03 AM   #8
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I haven't needed a Carnet for my 450RFR that went to the Dakar this year, despite coming back via Argentina, France, Germany, Italy, UAE and Singapore. Mind you, I haven't got it back here yet it's still on the water somewhere!!
Might show up in Perth Scotland soon
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:22 AM   #9
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Carnet de Passages en Douane (CPD) and ATA Carnet are two different things. But I΄m not sure, if you could use either one to temp import a competition vehicle, the AA of your country should know that.

Shipping out of Oz, I would ask Tradelanes, based in Melbourne. I shipped with them by sea to Europe (but it was back in 2008..)
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