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Old 02-04-2014, 10:57 AM   #811
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Cal left by his own choice.
Lured by a big check that Yamaha wouldn't write.
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Old 02-04-2014, 10:58 AM   #812
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You guys have a interesting take on the Honda effort. I don't think any brand wants their products running around at the back several seconds off the pace. The production Honda's will get faster as the season unfolds. So will the two Forward Yamaha's. And at least one guy seems pretty quick on the TT. Maybe there is something to build on there too.

Meanwhile, Krop just posted an interesting wrap on the day.

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014...d_up_a_fa.html
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:06 AM   #813
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Didn't he get pushed out when they signed a contract with Pol E.?
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:25 AM   #814
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Lured by a big check that Yamaha wouldn't write.

Of course but that's not the same as not being offered a ride.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:27 AM   #815
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Didn't he get pushed out when they signed a contract with Pol E.?
True the contract with Pol was done, I think, but Tech3 and Lin were still trying to keep Cal, with a budget. Not sure where that would have left Smith or Pol.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:28 AM   #816
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Meanwhile, Krop just posted an interesting wrap on the day.

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2014...d_up_a_fa.html
This is what I don't understand: If, as Nicky says, it is difficult to understand how much of their acceleration deficit is due to electronics or simply a weak engine, why don't they just turn off the electronic "help" and find out? In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:30 AM   #817
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This is what I don't understand: If, as Nicky says, it is difficult to understand how much of their acceleration deficit is due to electronics or simply a weak engine, why don't they just turn off the electronic "help" and find out? In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.

Maybe because without the electronics they won't know how much they are loosing out because they have no electronics and are just spinning/sliding?
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:32 AM   #818
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Rossi is quoted as saying that the new stability under braking is very welcome, but I didn't read or hear anything that hinted at the new bike being no improvement or worse for 99.

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http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/...4qmachine1.htm

I read somewhere else he found the motor to be very harsh because of the fuel limits, not as smooth as he likes

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^^^ Yes. Yamaha was also testing new software with an updated version of the seamless clutch. The new software uses clutchless downshifts. Vale liked that, JLo did not. Rossi and Lorenzo's times were very, very close until the final minutes when some made lunges for better times.

Today was interesting, but it was only the first day of a very long year. All of the teams were trying all sorts of different solutions with different results.

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Didn't he get pushed out when they signed a contract with Pol E.?
Yamaha made Cal an offer which he turned down.

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ETA: Pedrosa was further down the order until the closing minutes. also. He also put in the most laps.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:34 AM   #819
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This is what I don't understand: If, as Nicky says, it is difficult to understand how much of their acceleration deficit is due to electronics or simply a weak engine, why don't they just turn off the electronic "help" and find out? In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.
Can they do that? Is there an off switch for the electronics? Is there a default mode for the timing and fuel mapping? It sounds like a good idea but it may not be that simple.

I wonder how much 'help' Honda is going to be as the year goes on.

I am encouraged by Rossi's results. The more at the front the merrier I say.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:37 AM   #820
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This is what I don't understand: If, as Nicky says, it is difficult to understand how much of their acceleration deficit is due to electronics or simply a weak engine, why don't they just turn off the electronic "help" and find out? In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.
Could be the softball way of telling Honda to get some power up in here.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:39 AM   #821
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This is what I don't understand: If, as Nicky says, it is difficult to understand how much of their acceleration deficit is due to electronics or simply a weak engine, why don't they just turn off the electronic "help" and find out? In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.
But isn't that because the Duc was such a train wreck with un-predictable controllable power, specifically in the turns, that it needed to be used..the electronics? With Nick's background of riding and racing, I would not peg him as one for more electronics use.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:41 AM   #822
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Can they do that? Is there an off switch for the electronics? Is there a default mode for the timing and fuel mapping? It sounds like a good idea but it may not be that simple.

I wonder how much 'help' Honda is going to be as the year goes on.

I am encouraged by Rossi's results. The more at the front the merrier I say.
Cristian Gabbarini is assigned to the project, so it would seem a waste of his talent if they don't try to come up with something. Riding around out side of the points doesn't seem like a very good idea.

I would say there is no doubt that teams will be gunning for best of the open bike category.

Does anyone know if the open bikes will have an award for top qualifier, finisher, and championship placement?

I can't imagine that they would not.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:43 AM   #823
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Yamaha made Cal an offer which he turned down.
With Smith and Espargaro under contract, I thought the offer was very vague but likely to involve a CRT/Open Class ride. In other words, Crutchlow was out of Tech 3 involuntarily.
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In my trackside observations over the years Nicky has always used a lot of electronic "help," more so than many of the faster riders.
Ain't that the truth! He slammed into the traction control like it was a rev limiter or something. Meanwhile, Yamaha is onto something with their 'Open' bikes. Is that thing an M1 with different electronics?

Is that kid underrated or what! I'm glad he got out of his contract. This should be a most interesting season.
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But isn't that because the Duc was such a train wreck with un-predictable controllable power, specifically in the turns, that it needed to be used..the electronics? With Nick's background of riding and racing, I would not peg him as one for more electronics use.
Peg him how you want, he uses a lot of electronic help compared to others, other Ducati riders included (especially Stoner).
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