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Old 02-05-2014, 05:10 PM   #16
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• Waterproof, breathable REISSA® liner allows perspiration out, but no moisture in

Is the liner permanently attached to the jacket or is it a removable rain liner?
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:01 AM   #17
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I have had my TRANS.URBAN for a couple months. I have waited to comment as I wanted to get some riding in various weather accomplished. I have ridden the jacket for commuting and light/medium off-roading in temps ranging between 20F-50F.
Once received, first thing I noticed was the comfort of the jacket. Very comfortable, no binding or stiffness. Pockets are well placed and I like the side openings on the front pockets for hands. The jacket is comfortable sitting or standing on the bike.
I find the jacket quite warm and I have ridden without the liner the entire time. If I was going to be riding for more than 30-60 minutes, I would install the liner below 40 degrees.
This jacket replaced a jacket that I really really liked. I worried replacing a jacket like that would be difficult. It turned out not to be the case - This new jacket is really good without considering the relative low price.
I cannot comment on venting for waterproofness and it has been cold and dry here.

Pros:
Comfort
Styling
Subtle branding (Klim should take a hint)
Price

Cons:
Main zipper grip is a little small - I added some para-cord
Liner zipper size - I don't know if the major heated liner manufacturers have a common zipper size or not. My Gerbings liner zipped into my last jacket, quite convenient and I wish it would on the TRANS.URBAN (very fine liner zipper)

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Jackets seem to run slightly big. I am 5'7" @ 155lb and the small size jacket fits me well although the upper arms could even be smaller.

4.3 out of 5.0
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:43 AM   #18
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Someone tipped me off to the Pilot gear recently, and I have a few questions.

I ride every day, all over the place. No set commute, could be 2 miles, could be 300. Sun, Rain, Sleet, Snow, and if needed, Ice. I've ridden it all. A few years back I purchased the Tourmaster Transition Series 2 jacket, and matching pants. These were claimed to be waterproof. I found out a few weeks later (On what was then a 15 minute commute) that it indeed isn't waterproof. Worked ok for a drizzle, but in a downpour it soaked through. (In areas with no zipper or venting) After 3 winters, the zipper on the pants has broken, and part of the zipper on the jacket broke last year.

(I'm assuming that since I saw YKK zippers in the WBW Review on the Trans Urban, that you use YKK on everything)


Seeing as I ride almost every day and torrential downpours are a regular part of my life, How well does the TransUrban Jacket keep water out? How about the matching Omni Over Pants? At the price and high claims people give this gear I'm inclined to go for it, but Due to my better looking half not being thrilled about spending a bunch of money, I want to make sure that the gear will last me at least 4 winters of putting the gear on and taking it off between 2 and 8 times a day.



And since I now have everyone wondering what the heck I do for a living that involves riding a motorcycle all over Oregon: I do real-estate photography between the Oregon coast, and hood river.


EDIT: Also, What are the options that come with the jacket and pants as far as extra warmth goes? What options cost extra?
First of, thanks for the interest, this thread had gone a little dead recently (perhaps its because most of the country is still experiencing sub-zero temps).

The jacket is completely waterproof, the REISSA liner is not broken at any point throughout the jacket (except obviously the main zipper, where a 3 layer wind/rain flap and YKK zipper keeps out moister). REISSA is a great material as it manages to breath while still keeping out water, unlike the cheaper liners that are simply a vinyl plastic, it doesn't turn you into a rolling green house when you start to sweat.

We've been making gear since 1995 and have had very few quality issues during that time. We're offering a 2 year warranty on our street goods, which if you look around the industry, is a fairly unprecedented move. We feel confident doing this because we're devoted to quality control and design everything with longevity in mind. For instance we bartack all areas that are likely to experience a lot of pulling force (pocket ends, loops and the like) and all of our velcro points are box-stitched (rather than just running around the edges). We also pay really close attention to sew quality, we love good sew lines and spend an lot of time in the design phase eliminating awkward lines that result in unfinished edges or odd fabric overlaps.

We won't name names, but when we see folks giving 4-star reviews to certain jackets who's pockets have blown out within the first month of riding, we're flabbergasted. That's inexcusable to us, and the fact that people are OK with it really speaks to the quality expectations for gear in this price range.

Anyway, hope that answers some questions!

Here's a quick example image of our 3 layer wind/rain flap:


And here's an example of a bit of bartacking:
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:51 AM   #19
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• Waterproof, breathable REISSA® liner allows perspiration out, but no moisture in

Is the liner permanently attached to the jacket or is it a removable rain liner?
The REISSA liner is indeed attached to the jacket. It's best described as a non-removable floating liner. Meaning that it can obtain a degree of air circulation around the liner itself which helps mitigate temperature but it's not going to allow any water in. The warmth liner is removable however and does a good job of mitigating temperature.
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Old 02-15-2014, 04:41 PM   #20
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First of, thanks for the interest, this thread had gone a little dead recently (perhaps its because most of the country is still experiencing sub-zero temps).

The jacket is completely waterproof, the REISSA liner is not broken at any point throughout the jacket (except obviously the main zipper, where a 3 layer wind/rain flap and YKK zipper keeps out moister). REISSA is a great material as it manages to breath while still keeping out water, unlike the cheaper liners that are simply a vinyl plastic, it doesn't turn you into a rolling green house when you start to sweat.

We've been making gear since 1995 and have had very few quality issues during that time. We're offering a 2 year warranty on our street goods, which if you look around the industry, is a fairly unprecedented move. We feel confident doing this because we're devoted to quality control and design everything with longevity in mind. For instance we bartack all areas that are likely to experience a lot of pulling force (pocket ends, loops and the like) and all of our velcro points are box-stitched (rather than just running around the edges). We also pay really close attention to sew quality, we love good sew lines and spend an lot of time in the design phase eliminating awkward lines that result in unfinished edges or odd fabric overlaps.

We won't name names, but when we see folks giving 4-star reviews to certain jackets who's pockets have blown out within the first month of riding, we're flabbergasted. That's inexcusable to us, and the fact that people are OK with it really speaks to the quality expectations for gear in this price range.

Anyway, hope that answers some questions!

Here's a quick example image of our 3 layer wind/rain flap:


And here's an example of a bit of bartacking:
Thank you for the reply! Based on how confident you are in this, and other peoples claims, I will be purchasing it. We'll be having torrential downpours here for a while, and this is definately the best price range I've seen with someone this confident in their product with such good reviews.

EDIT: Just placed my order, hopefully shipping from CA doesn't take too long. I'll post up the wet ride reviews when it gets here! I just read a bunch of good reviews on the Riessa liner, so maybe there is a more affordable option to GoreTex!

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Old 02-15-2014, 07:43 PM   #21
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Just ordered! Shoot, I missed the free Breeze Blocker

I've been riding my dogsled with all this cold weather and not my DR! i reckon -20 is a little cool even for the TRANS-URBAN! Looking forward to receiving it. Can I get a fur rough for this beauty?
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:40 PM   #22
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Thank you for the reply! Based on how confident you are in this, and other peoples claims, I will be purchasing it. We'll be having torrential downpours here for a while, and this is definately the best price range I've seen with someone this confident in their product with such good reviews.

EDIT: Just placed my order, hopefully shipping from CA doesn't take too long. I'll post up the wet ride reviews when it gets here! I just read a bunch of good reviews on the Riessa liner, so maybe there is a more affordable option to GoreTex!
Excellent! We hope you'll see the quality and value when you get your hands on it.
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:43 PM   #23
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I've been riding my dogsled with all this cold weather and not my DR! i reckon -20 is a little cool even for the TRANS-URBAN! Looking forward to receiving it. Can I get a fur rough for this beauty?
Dogsled!? Now that's awesome, if you end up wearing our jacket on a dogsled, please take pictures, we'd love to see it. Maybe we'll transition from moto gear to arctic parkas and the like.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:33 PM   #24
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Well, after 3 days of impatiently waiting for UPS to get it here, I finally have it. (Can't complain about the free shipping from pilot tho!)

Initial thoughts:

Holy quality batman... I paid almost $500 for my tour-master transition 2 jacket/pant set, and while it was thicker, the quality wasn't even remotely close to this... At the price point I was a bit skeptical. I've seen other companies make high claims at a low price point, but in reality you got what you paid for... The reviews usually showed that as well.

I posted in a Facebook group of local riders here in OR inquiring about gear recommendations, because I DESPERATELY needed some new gear (Summer and winter) and someone posted up about the pilot gear. I started looking into it but couldn't find much information anywhere. I had seen the prices and was instantly skeptical... Then I found this thread, and one on another forum (I don't remember which one anymore) and people saying truths about what Pilot claimed. So I took the risk of having my wife either at my throat for a costly mistake, or super happy that I got $1200 worth of gear for about $350...

I honestly think based on my try-on and very detailed look at the jacket and pants, that this was a D@MN good purchase! I ordered a large, probably could have gotten away with a medium, but there is enough adjust-ability in the jacket and pants that they will work. (I'm 6'3" 150 lbs, 32" waist, 34-36" inseam depending on brand... Skinny!)

The pants at the tightest setting are big enough that with my jeans on, with my holster IWB, and leatherman pouch OWB, they should stay up no problem. (This is a good thing for me because my last winter pants were VERY tight for concealed carry).

The large jacket has more than enough adjustment to make things work for me. again, I probably should have ordered a medium, but because of my dire need for it now, and the insanely versatile amount of adjust-ability, I'm not worried about getting it exchanged.

The knee and elbow (Knee-bow?) pads are the most comfortable I've ever experienced. Very form fitting, and they sit in a very comfortable position when in a riding position. When standing/ walking, I don't even notice them.

The YKK zippers are amazing. The velcro is INCREDIBLY sticky... Remind me again why you put zippers on there again? Cause holy cow does that stuff grip... I'm sure it will break in with time and be much easier to pull apart... Just another area where they paid attention to detail!!!

If any of you have been in the Army recently, you have the same distain for Velcro that I do... Because when you first get your uniforms, it's nice and crisp, pockets stay shut nicely, and they're reasonably easy to open to get to stuff too. But after about 3 weeks of solid wear, the velcro starts to wear out on the pockets you use most... All of the sudden your missing a glove cause your cargo pocket came undone and your notebook is somewhere at your last firing point / OP because your sleeve pocket opened without your permission... (Just a note: I have never personally lost stuff because of pockets opening... But I know everyone has issues with the velcro staying shut on the ACU's... Not to mention the tactical disadvantages...)

Anyways, I digress... Pilot has taken into account the break-in of Velcro, so I expect that after a break-in period, the velcro will be at its ideal stickyness. (Is that even a word? Screw it... it is now...)

The only (sort of) negative thing I have to say is about the Pants... The hip armor is in two well designed pockets, but they flop around while the pants are off, instead of being attached at the inside. I understand the design idea behind it, being that they have a zipper that goes all the way up to the waistline. I just find it... Interesting. (It doesn't move around at all while wearing the pants tho)




Anyways, sorry about the novel. I will post up a detailed wet weather review when I get a chance to ride in the rain. (It's bound to happen... This is Oregon after all...) I do have an agreement to wear my old jacket for the rest of this winter season, or until the zipper breaks on it too (it's on its way), UNLESS its raining... (She knows it's not waterproof like it's supposed to be...)

I can't wait for warmer weather to get here because I WILL be purchasing their mesh jacket as well...

Cheers all


EDIT:

Just went for a ride, and this jacket is easily as warm, if not warmer than my tour master one... I actually may send it back for a medium tho, as the jacket isn't as pressing as the pants are for me...

Still money well spent so far!!!

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Old 02-21-2014, 04:53 PM   #25
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Well, after 3 days of impatiently waiting for UPS to get it here, I finally have it. (Can't complain about the free shipping from pilot tho!)
Stephen, thanks for the kind words. We're glad the wait didn't kill you and that you're satisfied thus-far with the jacket.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:45 PM   #26
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Once the weather warms up, let us know how well it breathes.

Very interested in this jacket.
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:13 PM   #27
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Stephen, thanks for the kind words. We're glad the wait didn't kill you and that you're satisfied thus-far with the jacket.
Ha the wait wasn't actually an isse at all. I used to work in sales/shipping so I knew it would be a few days. I was like a teenage girl waiting for her prom date to pick her up on the scheduled delivery date tho hahaha

Still haven't had a chance to wear it other than the other day. Been stuck at drill all weekend. I think we're supposed to get some rain sometime this week tho. (I'm not normally excited to have rain... Haha)
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Old 02-23-2014, 02:29 PM   #28
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Once the weather warms up, let us know how well it breathes.

Very interested in this jacket.
This is just MY personal opinion based on previous gear, and the fact that I ride almost every day. I have not actually tested the trans urban in warm weather or for breathabity.

Winter gear is for winter. Summer gear is summer gear. You can't possibly expect a jacket that keeps you toasty warm in 30* weather, to keep you cool in 70*+ weather. Aside from once out of curiosity to see if they worked, I've never actually opened the vents on my winter jackets to make them wearable in the summer. (And that test I was miserable). Why doesn't it work? Because in order to maintain waterproof capability, the waterproof layer must not be broken. So the vents actually vent the air to the outside of the waterproof layer. That does no good for the sweat building up on your body. While yes, a gore-red or Riessa liner is breathable, if you've ever sat in traffic on the freeway in 80* weather, nothing will help prevent you from sweating. Not even mesh, until you start moving. That's where the major difference will be made. If you want a jacket that will be better in warm weather, go for their mesh jacket listed on their website. (I can assure you that will be a future purchase of mine.) use a tool for what it's intended for, and you'll have better results. 👍👍


Now that said, I will test this jacket like I have others in the past, but I expect the results to be similar because a winter jacket is just that. A winter jacket. I'd rather buy 2 jackets that fit properly and work well, than 1 jacket that does OK with everything.



Also, with the pilot jackets, you are getting essentially 2 3-season jackets. The mesh one comes with the waterproof liner (see website) that it should be good from spring - fall, and the trans urban has a removable liner that should be good from fall-spring, so there really is a lot of flexibility there, moreso than a lot of other brands, and I can guarantee you won't find better quality at this price point.
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:27 AM   #29
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First off, I am not sponsored by Pilot in any way. I do hope that my reviews generate sales for them tho because a good honest company with a product this good, deserves to make some money!!!



Allllllright... So living in the good old PNW, we get rain, and LOTS of it... Some have called me crazy for having a M/C as my DD. But to be honest, with proper rain gear, it's not really that bad. My requirement for rain gear is it has to withstand a torrential downpour on the freeway at 70MPH for an hour, and me not getting wet. (Keep in mind on the freeway, there's other traffic kicking the water up off the street, into the air, and all over me, so we're talking a TON of water... Like, firehose amount of water...)

I am pleased to share that the Pilot Trans-Urban jacket IS PROPER RAIN GEAR! I tested this a few times over the last couple weeks, and am quite pleased!

For my tests, I will be using the following scale as far as water hitting me goes:

1 = Dense fog.
10 = Southern style torrential downpour (dime-sized water droplets, falling fast and hard!)
Typical rain around the Portland area I'd give a 4-5

All testing is on a 2013 Kawasaki Concours 14 with a Stock windshield 3/4 the way up. (I did part of the first test with it all the way down, wind hitting me about mid chest)

First test: 50 degrees outside, Raining pretty freaking hard (I'd give it a 9) had to ride 30 minutes in one direction to a photoshoot, worked for an hour, and rode back. First 10 minutes of the ride home was dry, last 20 minutes was back at a 8 on the rain scale.

What stayed dry: my legs, torso, and arms. I was extremely warm, and had a tiny bit of sweat buildup in the seat, and top of my legs, but upon stopping the inside of the pants was 100% dry. My jacket I was wearing underneath was also 100% dry. (I still over dressed as I am used to my old jacket that didn't do NEARLY as good a job at keeping me warm...)

What got wet: just a touch around the collar (to be expected, but the neck gaiter I wear when it's raining keeps me the rest of the way dry, but this is a jacket/ pant review, not a neck gaiter review...) and from the end of the sleeves, about 3" up, and slightly inside my gloves when I arrived at my destination....

And here is the only fault I could find with this jacket...






If you look at the top photo, you'll notice the velcro goes up on the sleeve. This creates a gutter of sorts for water to sit in (photo 2) and soak into the fabric. (which the fabric wraps around the AMAZING Reissa liner to protect it, obviously) and that water wicks up the sleeve a couple inches. When you stop (or take your hands off the handlebars at a stoplight that water that was trapped in the "gutter" leaves the gutter and drains straight into your gloves (Photo 3). Obviously this is a very easy fix by switching the way the velcro goes, and having it go down instead of up. I believe that would also remedy the water wicking into the fabric and up the sleeve just a touch. This is a fix I would hope to see this change on the next generation of this jacket, and quite frankly, is the only thing I found wrong...

But let's remember something... This jacket is EXTREMELY warm, and is sub $300, and I stayed dry through a torrential monsoon! I couldn't say the same for my other jacket... (Which i had to wear a gore-tex jacket over the top of to stay dry...)

Do not let that little bit deter you from buying this jacket... It will be money well spent, and if you plan ahead, you can put the velcro strap on looser, than take your finger and flip that gutter upside down so the water falls away from the channel instead of into it. I found this to help a lot in my next test....


Second Test: 35 minutes freeway one-way to the armory, rain falling about 7-8 on the above scale.

I 'flipped the gutter' like I mentioned just above, and everything stayed dry. The gloves were completely dry, no water wicking up the cuff, and when I got off no water channeled down into the gloves. I was 100% dry! (And warm!)






In closing, I am 100% satisfied with this jacket/pant combo... Quite affordable, and protection from the elements of gear upwards of $600+ for just the jacket! You WILL NOT go wrong or regret buying this... I can't wait to see what other things Pilot has in store for us street riders!

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Finally warming up around here. Rode just over 100 miles (mainly off-road) with outside temps ranging from high 50s to mid 70s. Wanted to comment on the venting; during the last leg of the road home (on tarmac) I was getting warm. Opened the vents near the shoulders and thought - ok that is something new, as most of my jackets have had vents near the chest pockets. Well, now I think the location of the shoulder vents is brilliant. My shoulders are outside of the wind block caused by my windscreen allowing the vents to work in the air stream! The vents performed wonderfully.
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