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Old 12-15-2013, 09:06 AM   #31
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Made exclusively from virgin Italian babies...

...or so I hear.
Twin babies: Johnson & Johnson
Not very Italian sounding, tho....

9 years seems like normal seal replacement time, so Mort's cylinder seems to have been well lubricated enough to keep it from wearing. So really though, plain old J&J style baby oil from a Supermarket?

I will/do replace my fluids that often also. Now that I learned the hard way a couple years ago. I just assume 2-3 months of abuse on Punkin is similar to 2-3 years of use for many.
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:24 AM   #32
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So really though, plain old J&J style baby oil from a Supermarket?
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J&J is good if you want to impress people with the designer label, but...

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Old 12-15-2013, 09:30 AM   #33
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J&J is good if you want to impress people with the designer label, but...
If that was important, I'da bought one a these:

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:04 AM   #34
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J&J is good if you want to impress people with the designer label, but...
Does Walgreen's count as a designer label?
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:43 AM   #35
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Plain ole vegetable cooking oil works also.
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:00 AM   #36
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But didn't you have a leaking/weeping Master, Mort?
You had mentioned once that you had tried the master rebuild kit, did it get the job done for you?

I've had two masters leak out the lever end. One met pavement fate before I had a chance to try and fix it, the other one got a rebuild kit that stopped leaking for all of a couple weeks. Always black goo leaking out even though I have refilled regularly with fresh red blood. I've been putting up with it leaking, since I have CJ's extender/cooler that hold lots more fluid, and fluid (even Magura Blood) is cheaper than a new Master. I've been waiting to try a different fluid until I take it all apart to clean the whole system when I get a new Master.

But it's time this Winter to buy a new master. I might go with a Magura 9.0 that some say works better (with a small switchgear mod for proper fit) or I might just buy the stock replacement at the big $ they want for it. But I don't want to put Magura blood back into it just to have black goo by next Winter again.

Seems as if there might be logic to what many have said about the mineral oils reacting with the aluminum master cylinder and making it black, while wearing the cylinder even more. It seems that is what I'm experiencing. Does the pure baby oils do this, or just the blood with it's additives? I realize my clutch lever likely gets more use/abuse than many, so maybe just that is the main issue with any fluid I use.

So my next question is for ATF users, the ones that use the clutch a LOT off-road like I do.....Is your ATF turning black after a year or two of use/abuse?
This is the only place after extensive research that will resleeve the stock master... http://www.applehydraulics.com/brakes.htm

I had my original honed somewhere, and worked fine, but that was after i put in several rebuild kits. I end up buying a new one before my hone job. The honed one worked fine, but it now sits in the parts cabinet waiting for the new one to act up.

Gefr got it right in a thread in here that it's the pivot of the push on the plunger that put a wear on the bore on one side, nature of the leaver mechanics.

After all that i now use 2.5w shock fluid for the last 3 years and it never turns grey and has uber lite lever action.
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Old 12-15-2013, 03:16 PM   #37
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Been using cheap ford ATF for year......Citroen suspension fluid is also good, I mean cheap.

When are these companies going to wake up, you cant charge 16 quid for 1/2L of clutch mineral oil and expect everyone to blindly follow...
+1 for the Citroen suspension fluid, its a high temp oil, and over here dirt cheap, I think I paid about 3 for 1.5 ltr.
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Old 12-15-2013, 04:45 PM   #38
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I didn't hone my cylinder. I just wiped it out, and stuck in the kit.

So, I guess I'll see how that goes for a while, before I say that is a good idea.
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