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Old 12-24-2013, 06:13 AM   #151
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Tuna Helper, I think he said the non stick coating was xylene, he mentioned it being green too.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:39 AM   #152
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Tuna Helper, I think he said the non stick coating was xylene, he mentioned it being green too.
Xylene is a solvent, not a release agent. It is clear in color, not green. Nor is it green with regards to environmental impact.

Xylene is a carrier for some of the release agents, particulary the wax types. The wax dissolves in the solvent. The mixture gets wiped onto the molds, and the solvent flash evaporates.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:49 AM   #153
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That's bullshit, not only because panicing requires thinking.
Panic as a technique.

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Old 12-24-2013, 09:14 AM   #154
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... even if it is a myth, what's wrong with taking it easy the first 50 or so miles on new tires?
Nothing. Why, nothing at all!

This whole 'you're ignorant' thing about taking it easy on new tires is mind boggling. Why does any one person care so much about somebody else taking it easy on their new tires?

I've seen race tires that could go live right away and I recently saw a new Pirelli Corsa with so much wax-like material on its surface that it could be scraped off in small pieces. I'm betting that wax was slippery.

I just think it's best to take each situation on a case-by-case basis and let each rider be as informed as need be to make a responsible decision. We are about personal responsibility here, right? After all, we're motorcyclists. We're independent thinkers and we don't need other people thinking for us, right?

Mild rant over. BTW, I use Mobil1 15W-50 in my GS. Any feelings about my choice?

Oh, and we forgot to talk about which brands of Nitrogen to use in our tires. I personally use air, but I hear that my dealer uses really good Nitrogen and not that cheap dollar store stuff.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:20 AM   #155
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Mild rant over. BTW, I use Mobil1 15W-50 in my GS. Any feelings about my choice?
In bikes or oil?
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:21 AM   #156
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Panic as a technique.

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Brake until you panic...and then brake or steer or jump or just do something, but do it now!!! That's how I roll.


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Old 12-24-2013, 09:28 AM   #157
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In bikes or oil?


I'd have to pick the bike. Otherwise, I wouldn't have to use that ridiculous brand of oil.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:36 AM   #158
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I recently saw a new Pirelli Corsa with so much wax-like material on its surface that it could be scraped off in small pieces. I'm betting that wax was slippery.
That sounds like the same stuff I had on my set of Metzelers. See posts #12 and 48. This is the first set of tires I've owned with a coating this thick.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:48 AM   #159
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Oh, and we forgot to talk about which brands of Nitrogen to use in our tires. I personally use air, but I hear that my dealer uses really good Nitrogen and not that cheap dollar store stuff.
I run 78% in mine.
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From what I understand from frequenting various forums you are handling this critisim completely wrong. You are supposed to get bent out of shape and start turning towards personal attacks. Get with the program!
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:52 AM   #160
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That sounds like the same stuff I had on my set of Metzelers. See posts #12 and 48. This is the first set of tires I've owned with a coating this thick.
Thanks for the reminder about your posts. I looked and what I saw in your pic (post #48) is what I saw on that Pirelli. Fortunately, that tire wasn't for me so I didn't feel compelled to scrape it all off. My friend, however, had a strong urge to continue scraping that dung off of his tire once I demonstrated that the waxy stuff could be removed.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:43 PM   #161
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Are you stuck on seeing that? It'll be a week before I can get that, we're shut down for maintenance and upgrades for a week.
Thanks, I'm good with the explanation. Merry Christmas and enjoy your time off.
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:55 AM   #162
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This thread is going in a different direction, but I can't help sharing this story replying to this blurred guy.
One of my friends is a professional driver and used to race motorcycles for a living. So no lack of experience in track day's.
So one day he went to a store and had not thought about the fact that he had just put new tires (same make as always) on his Honda VFR a couple of days before and he had not ridden it yet. So when he opened the throttle on the ramp to the freeway the rear tire slipped out from under him (he had taken this ramp a couple of 100 times before) and the bike landed on his foot, he was in a bit of pain, righted the bike and rode home.
Then he couldn't get his boot of, because of the pain and a long story short his ankle was broken and he was not able to work for 6 weeks.

Of course TS is right, new tires are not slippery and a professional driver with tons of experience on a road he had taken a million times under the same circumstances, well he should of course have done even more track days etc...
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:38 AM   #163
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:01 AM   #164
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So you had a friend that said yada yada yada. Sounds like just more crock to me. At least the OP has first hand experience.

There was a time when tires were commonly scrubbed. The last time anybody scrubbed mine was 1998. They were Michelins.

Nobody cares whether you scrub your tires or not. It's the passing on of ignorance as if it were fact that is annoying. Most of the people posting on this thread have no first hand knowledge about whether new tires must be scrubbed or not.

Any cold tire can be slippery. Usually new tires are cold for the first few miles, just as any other tire is cold leaving the garage. At Daytona on chilly mornings the right side of the front tire cools off in the west banking (long course). The "Chicane" is a little left right flip flop turn. It is not uncommon for the little right turn in the chicane to produce lots high of speed lowsides during the first couple laps of morning practice. It is because the right side of the tire cooled off on the banking or never got up to operating temp in the first place.



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This thread is going in a different direction, but I can't help sharing this story replying to this blurred guy.
One of my friends is a professional driver and used to race motorcycles for a living. So no lack of experience in track day's.
So one day he went to a store and had not thought about the fact that he had just put new tires (same make as always) on his Honda VFR a couple of days before and he had not ridden it yet. So when he opened the throttle on the ramp to the freeway the rear tire slipped out from under him (he had taken this ramp a couple of 100 times before) and the bike landed on his foot, he was in a bit of pain, righted the bike and rode home.
Then he couldn't get his boot of, because of the pain and a long story short his ankle was broken and he was not able to work for 6 weeks.

Of course TS is right, new tires are not slippery and a professional driver with tons of experience on a road he had taken a million times under the same circumstances, well he should of course have done even more track days etc...
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Old 12-25-2013, 08:35 AM   #165
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Wraith covered it well.

That must be the only time Wraith has had someone agree with him, and relying on Wraith as a yes man says quite a good amount about you.

Just take it easy for the first 100 miles, big fucking deal. Yes there may be something in the road and you react the best you can, but if going slow and cautious the chances of being caught off guard are pretty slim. Being tense is a direct input to the wheels, but I'm not tense, just cautious and relaxed, there is a difference. Others have said it, I'll say it again, I call bullshit on you using ad hominem to say that if I ride cautiously for the first 100 miles because I think a tire is slick that I must be a bad rider, believe in witches and Santaria and pray to the evil god Zuul.

When it comes to personal experience versus someone with a long pedigree in a given topic, I will take my personal experience the majority of the time. There are scientific things and of course I trust scientists instead of my opinion, hell the world doesn't look round to me...but if I rub my new tire and it is shiny and slick, no rocket/tire scientist is going to change my mind about how I, NOT YOU, ride the next 100 miles.

You should lurk more and post less. From the few years on this site I've learned a great deal, there is probably 100,000 years of motorcycle riding experience in these threads. I've learned many eye opening tips and tricks from camping to riding etc, but you posting an article from some random guy on the internet is not impressive. You still holding your position of telling others what to do after being put in your place, and being yessed by Wraith, even less so
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