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Old 12-25-2013, 05:41 PM   #181
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I liken it to the car tire thread.


I can't roll my eyes enough at some of the bullshit posted.
Who knew the perfect line meant the perfect line of BS!
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:06 PM   #182
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So by your logic, that will not only make you a poor unsafe rider on new tires, but all the time..


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Old 12-25-2013, 07:10 PM   #183
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The Blurr, I admire your resilience, and loyalty, to a man who made a comment in 2008, in a magazine article that it took you five years to stumble across, but I had lunch with two peple today, that's 2013, who make tyres for a living, at Michelin, and use silicone spray to release them from their moulds.

I know when I'm on my death bed, that I will look back with regret at the several minutes of my life that I have apparently wasted scrubbing in my new tyres, but that's for me to worry about, although I appreciate your concern!
Yea I read the article shortly after it came out, believe it or not this is not the only forum I post on or have been involved in.

And had you read the article you would not have had to have lunch with them to know this.

"and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:31 PM   #184
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Does Darla recommend scuffing new tires?
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:33 PM   #185
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Does Darla recommend scuffing new tires?
Nope. She says it'll make you a bad rider, and more likely to wreck if you don't trust your tires...
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:11 AM   #186
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Yea I read the article shortly after it came out, believe it or not this is not the only forum I post on or have been involved in.

And had you read the article you would not have had to have lunch with them to know this.

"and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."
Ok got you know, I'll give him a call today to clarify if they use it on the tread area, and whether it is applied mechanically or sprayed, perhaps tuna helper could clarify this too from his plant? I will also email Pirelli today to ask them to clarify the discrepancy between their employee Knoche's advice, and their motorcycle tyre guide. If they respond, I'll post it here.
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:32 AM   #187
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"it's applied all over the mould, sides and tread. It's sprayed with a fan nozzle that spins 360 degrees and coats the whole mould prior to the uncured tyre going in."
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:10 AM   #188
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SO basically you are a closed minded fool. who only agrees with what his preconceived notion of "right or wrong" is. Sorry I am not like that at all, I like most of you idgets believed in the "Slick tire nonsense" but it never quit made complete sense to me.
Dude, I feel the tire and it feels slick when new, I don't know what else to say. Hell, it even looks shiny. We aren't talking about preconceived notions of right or wrong, heaven and hell, primal forces of nature Mr. Beale, but the act of looking and feeling a new tire on a bike.

Please tell me again how to expand my mind, I feel chained to Plato's cave.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:22 AM   #189
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Taken from Moses's tablet, or rather the article you are clinging to. Like I said, I don't scrub a tire, just take it easy for a bit, seems to line up with the below pretty well.


"I would say nowadays if the surface looks like new-as long as you don't have contact cleaner on, no soapy water (often used by tire fitters to help slip the bead over the rim) or oil-there should be no concern," said Knoche. But that isn't clearance to simply go for it, either. "For sure a new tire, especially if you change the brand or even get a different production lot, it can be slightly different," Knoche said. "So I think that's more the concern people should have. Maybe with a new set of tires that's a new experience. Get the experience; it's like riding in a brand new car, you don't race around the first corner because you don't know what's going to happen."
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:51 AM   #190
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Taken from Moses's tablet, or rather the article you are clinging to. Like I said, I don't scrub a tire, just take it easy for a bit, seems to line up with the below pretty well.


"I would say nowadays if the surface looks like new-as long as you don't have contact cleaner on, no soapy water (often used by tire fitters to help slip the bead over the rim) or oil-there should be no concern," said Knoche. But that isn't clearance to simply go for it, either. "For sure a new tire, especially if you change the brand or even get a different production lot, it can be slightly different," Knoche said. "So I think that's more the concern people should have. Maybe with a new set of tires that's a new experience. Get the experience; it's like riding in a brand new car, you don't race around the first corner because you don't know what's going to happen."
I've also bought a new tire from the local HD dealer (only one that had a decent 190 in stock, and I wanted to ride that day) I swear they had sprayed armor all over that tired. I rolled on the throttle pulling out, and the back tire lit up. I even turned right onto the main road cause I was scared to accelerate enough to turn left. It was a Pilot Power 2 if you're wondering. The first ~50 miles or so I was really wanting to go back to the dealership and tell them to take their crap tire back. ANY acceleration resulted in tire spin. But I was meeting up with people. After about 50-60 miles, it was like a switch had been flipped, and I had a real rear tire again.

Granted that was on a 954rr with a lot of engine work done, so it ate back tires for lunch. My old dr650 just didn't care.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:03 AM   #191
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:13 AM   #192
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:09 AM   #193
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Brother in Law replied,

"it's applied all over the mould, sides and tread. It's sprayed with a fan nozzle that spins 360 degrees and coats the whole mould prior to the uncured tyre going in."

Go to the track, learn how to ride and lose your ridiculous fear.

That is honestly all there is to it

or keep watching other people whats it gonna be?

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Dude, I feel the tire and it feels slick when new, I don't know what else to say. Hell, it even looks shiny. We aren't talking about preconceived notions of right or wrong, heaven and hell, primal forces of nature Mr. Beale, but the act of looking and feeling a new tire on a bike.

Please tell me again how to expand my mind, I feel chained to Plato's cave
I already covered that I believe on Page two, go back and read
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:30 AM   #194
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Go to the track, learn how to ride and lose your ridiculous fear.

That is honestly all there is to it

or keep watching other people whats it gonna be?



I already covered that I believe on Page two, go back and read
Nice straw man, you are out of your damned mind.
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Old 12-26-2013, 10:35 AM   #195
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Go to the track, learn how to ride and lose your ridiculous fear.

That is honestly all there is to it

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