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Old 12-26-2013, 04:08 PM   #211
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Old 12-26-2013, 04:18 PM   #212
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For most of the last 30 years, I've been wiping new tires down with lacquer thinner. Takes me 5 minutes and they're clean and tackier than before. And I'll continue to do so in the future. I only have myself to please.

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Old 12-26-2013, 05:30 PM   #213
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Can someone lock this thread now please..
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:03 PM   #214
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Can someone lock this thread now please..
Delete the whole thing, it's stupid as shit anyway.
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:51 PM   #215
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Delete the whole thing, it's stupid as shit anyway.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:19 PM   #216
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Why? Because you might not agree with it? Just remove it from your subscribed threads.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:06 PM   #217
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With over 45 years of riding experience, 15 years of track days, 8 years a MSF safety instructor, 6 years as a track school instructor, five years as a track day provider, three years racing CCS, drag raced three years with AHDRA and have attended most of the track schools the OP has noted I feel the need to weigh in.
Now, I'm not an expert but have attended to many tire related event's and spoken to many tire manufacture reps to not take note of several factors in tire safety.

I have ridden and taught at tracks from California(Fontana), Miami (Homestead), Virginia (VIR), Michigan (Gingerman) New Jersey, Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky and many more and I have ALWAYS "scuffed" tire's in for the first few laps (lap)/miles to BOTH remove the smooth surface and bring heat into the tire. There may be very little "mold release" agent left on tires today but the manufacturing process produces a super smooth surface that must be broken to increase tire grip. The tire "grease" on the surface comes from the heat process during the molding process that brings natural oils in the rubber to the surface and produce the super smooth surface. In the case of "cold construction"(pioneered by Michelin) the pressure produces the same fine, smooth "greasy" surface.

I have fallen down at 2mph in the pits on new slicks while turning around due to the super smooth surface on brand new tires. I have railed, knee down' right out of the pits with new heated tires ( due to tire warmers) and never had a problem but never on new (even heated) tires without falling or coming close to doing so. I have cleaned up countless "throttle hero's" on the first lap of many events due to the over aggressive riding believing their new "track tire's" are "good to go". Heat, or the lack thereof, is the major factor in tire grip but on a new tire there is a surface that should be broken to increase lean angle. That is up to the rider, their ability and conditions.

No, I'm not trying to thump my chest and I am too old to give a shit about trying to impress anyone, but just stating that years of experience means more than some inter-dweeb quoting random theory as gospel. I have ridden with Jason Pridmore and will damn grantee you he never goes on the track with new or cold tires at full lean angle right out of the box.

Believe what you want but true experience tells me to "scuff" is to be "safe". Without tire warmers it may take one lap or less, depending on experience level, tire make and track conditions but there is no experienced rider that goes out at full lean and throttle right out of the gate. In the end this means street riders do, and should, take care in the first few miles to assure safe riding.



Oh and the "weaving back and fort" is not to warm tires but to remove rubber marbles, that's why it's done in every motorsport.............sheees
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:16 PM   #218
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while much of the link is fact as I know it, not 100% (crown of road does NOT cause left side wear) therefore I have no faith in learning new facts from that link, as the author did not verify the info was correct
Actually it does, the road is canted to help water run off

Feel free to take a level out on the highway and find out for yourself.

Btw, back to your earlier post about thinking and reacting, you would do well to learn how long it takes for your mind to send a message in regards to your ability to actually react.
Which is why you need to practice practice and practice so you can react based on muscle memory and not sitting there thinking about what to do.

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Old 12-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #219
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Why? Because you might not agree with it? Just remove it from your subscribed threads.
Actually I agree with the majority of whats been posted, which is in contrast to the op's opinion. It's his assinine, arrogant, thickheaded counter arguments and name calling that`s annoying. Unsubscribing sounds like a great.

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Old 12-26-2013, 10:22 PM   #220
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Btw, back to your earlier post about thinking and reacting, you would do well to learn how long it takes for your mind to send a message in regards to your ability to actually react.
Which is why you need to practice practice and practice so you can react based on muscle memory and not sitting there thinking about what to do.
You would do well to not make assumptions. I would take randyo's real world riding experiences over your crush, based, arrogant nonsense any day.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:55 PM   #221
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Believe what you want but true experience tells me to "scuff" is to be "safe". Without tire warmers it may take one lap or less, depending on experience level, tire make and track conditions but there is no experienced rider that goes out at full lean and throttle right out of the gate. In the end this means street riders do, and should, take care in the first few miles to assure safe riding.
That is actually exactly what I said. Heat.....period. I don't use warmers because it takes me longer to warm up then the tires...aside from the fact that warmers are just an added hassle that I prefer not to deal with.

Me "scuffing" new rubber basically involves a blast at speed down the interstate, no more no less.
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while much of the link is fact as I know it, not 100% (crown of road does NOT cause left side wear) therefore I have no faith in learning new facts from that link, as the author did not verify the info was correct
That has been a relatively well know phenomena for quite some time. If you drive on the left you tend to wear the left of the tire faster, and vice versa. I have been replacing tires because of right side where, but that was the fault of NJMP and something like 5 left turns between both tracks. I've certainly noted that sort of pattern when I was commuting big mileage. Be it the road crown or, just the fact that left turns are wider arcs and thus usually taken faster I've no idea.
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Old 12-27-2013, 12:18 AM   #222
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MotoBoss, Thankyou for taking the time to explain the above.

From this thread and the research I have done, I have learned that I now have to worry about:-


The shiny surface from the manufacturing process
Tyre deflation during the running in period
Dirt and oil on the tyre fitters hands
Slippery dealer forecourts
And also now, the camber on the road which may cause premature wear on one side of my tyre!


The Blurr, the fact that you did not even acknowledge MotoBoss's reply above, makes me think you have an agenda.

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Old 12-27-2013, 01:02 AM   #223
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I read till page 3, then I gave up. So maybe I'm repeating something already said.
Road and race tyres are not the same.
I won't take it easy for more then a lap with well warmed up new tyres (thank God for tyre warmers) on my track bike, but no one will stop me from being careful for the first couple of hundred kms on road tyres (the one and only time my tyres have chicken strips ).

Am I arrogant?
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Old 12-27-2013, 01:11 AM   #224
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Recently fitted a Pirelli Mt 60 to my dr650. Tread and side walls covered in wax like substance. I do not see how this could not cause traction issues. I also recently fitted a Michelin pilot road 3 trail to my vfr1200x , tyre shop hit it with a rotary sander for the same reason.

As for the road camber tyre wear issue, I believe it's more to do with the speed of you're turns. eg. if in you ride on the left hand side of the road, a left hand turn (say at an intersection or T junction) is a short slow turn followed by accell in a straight line. A right hand turn has a longer arc and accell is done with lean angle still present. = more wear on right side of tyre. Just my theory,what would a noob know.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:26 AM   #225
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MotoBoss, Thankyou for taking the time to explain the above.

From this thread and the research I have done, I have learned that I now have to worry about:-


The shiny surface from the manufacturing process
Tyre deflation during the running in period
Dirt and oil on the tyre fitters hands
Slippery dealer forecourts
And also now, the camber on the road which may cause premature wear on one side of my tyre!


The Blurr, the fact that you did not even acknowledge MotoBoss's reply above, makes me think you have an agenda.
its the roundabouts wearing out the side of the tyre.
that's why we should have different tyres for lhd and rhd motorbikes.
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