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Old 01-29-2014, 08:35 AM   #766
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This thread would be so much better if it was happened to be punted to JM though
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:39 AM   #767
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This thread would be so much better if it was happened to be punted to JM though
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Old 01-29-2014, 12:53 PM   #768
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I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have been asked. How does riding gently on a new tire help you the first time you lean way over? If you're riding gently you probably aren't using the edges of the tires, so no matter how long you wait before finally starting to ride aggressively, the edges won't be scrubbed in until the first time you use them. I always wonder about this when I ride around gently on new tires.
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Old 01-29-2014, 01:44 PM   #769
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I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have been asked. How does riding gently on a new tire help you the first time you lean way over? If you're riding gently you probably aren't using the edges of the tires, so no matter how long you wait before finally starting to ride aggressively, the edges won't be scrubbed in until the first time you use them. I always wonder about this when I ride around gently on new tires.
That's not how it works...
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Old 01-29-2014, 02:32 PM   #770
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yet another thread that could have actually contained some useful information......




BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Old 01-29-2014, 03:32 PM   #771
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I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have been asked. How does riding gently on a new tire help you the first time you lean way over? If you're riding gently you probably aren't using the edges of the tires, so no matter how long you wait before finally starting to ride aggressively, the edges won't be scrubbed in until the first time you use them. I always wonder about this when I ride around gently on new tires.
You can only scrub by using the tire. It just takes smooth riding to do it,no tossing it in hard/lots of throttle until it's seen some pavement. Make sense?
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:52 PM   #772
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yet another thread that could have actually contained some useful information......




BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Yeah, what should have been a technical discussion of friction coefficients, turned in all kinds of name calling.
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:57 PM   #773
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Yeah, what should have been a technical discussion of friction coefficients, turned in all kinds of name calling.

I know, I guess I should be used to it by now?




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Old 01-29-2014, 04:26 PM   #774
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Yeah, what should have been a technical discussion of friction coefficients, turned in all kinds of name calling.


It's difficult at best to have a technical discussion about something when that something is not defined, ie. race or street tires. Would that not be two discussions?


Wayne one thing that struck me and I don't recall it being defined. Was your measurement recorded at the moment of movement?
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It's difficult at best to have a technical discussion about something when that something is not defined, ie. race or street tires. Would that not be two discussions?
that would have probably been the best way to go seeing as race tires are pretty unique, at least for tarmac.

Personally, ive never experienced a super slippery new street tire but that's never going to stop me from being cautious for awhile just based on what Ive heard and the vid of that guy on the Gixxer....
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that would have probably been the best way to go seeing as race tires are pretty unique, at least for tarmac.

Personally, ive never experienced a super slippery new street tire but that's never going to stop me from being cautious for awhile just based on what Ive heard and the vid of that guy on the Gixxer....
You mean the guy on the Gixxer who just bought a new bike, in shiny new leathers, probably had minimal if any experience who would chop the throttle causing those super slippery new tires to grip and toss his ass overboard?
Probably not the best case ever put forth.
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Thanks Anotherguy. If I understand you correctly, you're saying to take it easy as you start using previously unused portions of the tire. Makes sense.
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:23 PM   #778
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yet another thread that could have actually contained some useful information......




BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
There was some meaningful input near the beginning of this thread. It just got lost in noise, hyperbole and egotistical self-aggrandizement.

If only the OP had used a gag instead of earplugs we'd all be the richer for the input and newbies could have been saved some grief.
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:35 PM   #779
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Thanks Anotherguy. If I understand you correctly, you're saying to take it easy as you start using previously unused portions of the tire. Makes sense.
Dig back to Patahs posts further in this thread. The notion that all these people manage to careuly scrub off tiny sections of the tire before moving onto the next is idiotic. Eventually everyone increases a bit more than they intended and at that point these scary slick tires would be sliding out leaving everyone on their ass, surprise they do not.
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:12 PM   #780
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Thanks Anotherguy. If I understand you correctly, you're saying to take it easy as you start using previously unused portions of the tire. Makes sense.
I don't want to make any blanket statements here, because I think the one thing this thread shows is that if you try to make an absolute statement you'll probably be absolutely wrong.

Although I am one of those guys who actually does lightly sand my new tires, I don't think the important part is having the entire tire surface touch the road. I will be the first to admit most of my tires have a decent amount of chicken stripping on them.

But as you ride, even if you don't lean the bike, the tire itself deforms. This is actually what causes most of the heat - not friction of the tire sliding against pavement but the constant deformation. (The tire guys on here can correct that if I'm mistaken). So simply putting some miles on the tires, even in a straight line, is going to heat cycle the tire as well as cause the entire tire to flex. I would think that alone is sufficient after X miles. (You can decide what X equals!).

If you really needed to scrape the entire tire surface, your outer edges would always be slippery until you were all the way leaned over and presumably under A LOT of lateral forces. Yet if you look at your chicken strips after many miles, there still may be the little rubber antennae on the outer edges, but you can clearly see the rubber doesn't look "new." I assume that's because even that area that may not have touched tarmac has still undergone some type of change - presumably from heat cycling or deformation.
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