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Old 12-24-2013, 11:04 PM   #1
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Question Where are unbiased/honest motorcycle reviews?

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I'm asking for a lot, looking for some unbiased/honest motorcycle reviews. Bike reviews are far less sanitized than car reviews (from paid automotive journalists) but i'm looking for the whole truth. Reading websites and magazines which run on advertising dollars and can't be honest/negative about a bike aren't a good use of anybody's time. There are some great owners reviews which are always worth a read. Does anybody know of a website or YouTube channel with some focus on honest reviews of motorcycles? Does such a thing exist? Sport, adventure, touring, cruiser, standard, dirt, I love them all!
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:21 PM   #2
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I'm asking for a lot, looking for some unbiased/honest motorcycle reviews. Bike reviews are far less sanitized than car reviews (from paid automotive journalists) but i'm looking for the whole truth. Reading websites and magazines which run on advertising dollars and can't be honest/negative about a bike aren't a good use of anybody's time. There are some great owners reviews which are always worth a read. Does anybody know of a website or YouTube channel with some focus on honest reviews of motorcycles? Does such a thing exist?
Sorry but I don΄t think such a place exists.

And even if someone fully tries to be as honest as he/she can, his/her preferences might still differ quite a lot from yours, so it is only so helpful.

......Oh wait a minute, actually there IS one such place - It΄s called a TEST RIDE
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:33 PM   #3
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I think this day and age most bikes will generally be good for their intended purpose. Motorcycle magazines seem fairly honest to me and if you are a true motorcycling enthusiast you will enjoy almost any opportunity to be on two wheels. Go read a review of an MV Agusta and see if someone says the fuel injection is excellent.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:46 PM   #4
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besides testing on your own, ADV is a decent place because you get such a wide range of motorcyclist her all in-putting. go to a model/make specific website and you'll get almost all positives. On ADV you get opinions from all sides as this is one of the most diverse groups on the net.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:54 PM   #5
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Motorcycle Consumer News is the closest that you'll get. They run entirely from subscription fees. Even so, no motojournalist will write such a harsh review as to cut them off from getting access to a manufacturer's test bike fleet.
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Old 12-25-2013, 03:53 AM   #6
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Bike magazine (a British mag) has my favorite reviews. They tend to be good at pointing out the negative aspects of bikes in a way that the manufacturers won't get pissed and cut them off, but the readers still know what's being said.
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:05 AM   #7
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Since you're reading opinions, there is always going to be some sort of bias but I understand what you're asking. I find the moto mags bland and making too much of an effort for everyone to win. Watch the Touratech comparison video of the KTM 990 vs. the new 1190 for a good example, or any speech by our President will do. RideApart does a pretty good job of giving down to earth viewpoints. It almost reads like a moto blog and there is a section for commentary below, almost always adding to my knowledge like this forum does.
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Old 12-25-2013, 04:11 AM   #8
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Motorcycle Consumer News is the closest that you'll get. They run entirely from subscription fees. Even so, no motojournalist will write such a harsh review as to cut them off from getting access to a manufacturer's test bike fleet.
Yep, MCN is the most honest out there.
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:35 AM   #9
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http://rideapart.com/

Since you're reading opinions, there is always going to be some sort of bias but I understand what you're asking. I find the moto mags bland and making too much of an effort for everyone to win. Watch the Touratech comparison video of the KTM 990 vs. the new 1190 for a good example, or any speech by our President will do. RideApart does a pretty good job of giving down to earth viewpoints. It almost reads like a moto blog and there is a section for commentary below, almost always adding to my knowledge like this forum does.
X2; also a fan if the British rags, although I wonder why so many bikes seem to get 4 stars? What sets the bar for 5?
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:41 AM   #10
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Sorry but I don΄t think such a place exists.

And even if someone fully tries to be as honest as he/she can, his/her preferences might still differ quite a lot from yours, so it is only so helpful.

......Oh wait a minute, actually there IS one such place - It΄s called a TEST RIDE
a test ride would be great, and here in the US, if your buying a Harley, BMW, Ducati or Triumph, or your best friends with the owner of the dealership, you may get one

Motorcycle dealers, especially the Big 4, here in the US, do not allow test rides
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:02 AM   #11
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a test ride would be great, and here in the US, if your buying a Harley, BMW, Ducati or Triumph, or your best friends with the owner of the dealership, you may get one

Motorcycle dealers, especially the Big 4, here in the US, do not allow test rides

This has always been a problem here.

I can understand it from the dealerships point of view, they have a lot of money tied up in inventory, and a virgin bike with 0 miles is undoubtedly worth more, than a demo, that everyone and their brother had their way with.

Surely the big 4 can pony up one demo of each popular model in the major Metro areas. Or do like the Europeans with their demo trucks, that show up once or twice a year.

I would be willing to rent a bike all day, to try it out, but the only rentals in most places are HD's, which have absolutely nothing that I am interested in, well since they fired Buell anyways!
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Old 12-25-2013, 12:19 PM   #12
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This has always been a problem here.

I can understand it from the dealerships point of view, they have a lot of money tied up in inventory, and a virgin bike with 0 miles is undoubtedly worth more, than a demo, that everyone and their brother had their way with.

Surely the big 4 can pony up one demo of each popular model in the major Metro areas. Or do like the Europeans with their demo trucks, that show up once or twice a year.

I would be willing to rent a bike all day, to try it out, but the only rentals in most places are HD's, which have absolutely nothing that I am interested in, well since they fired Buell anyways!
My local BMW dealer does an open house every spring and has the big demo truck there. He also brings a barbecue caterer in and feeds everyone for free. Last year, he even had a blues band.
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Old 12-25-2013, 02:04 PM   #13
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if your buying a Harley, BMW, Ducati or Triumph, or your best friends with the owner of the dealership, you may get one
And this is why my last three bikes have been from KTM, Triumph and Ducati. I was offered test rides on all three bikes I ended up buying. Hell, at Ducati, I got a test ride of everything they had. I think I rode for three or four hours. By the time I got to the Panigale S I was totally beat. I did a few runs up and down the street playing with the quick shifter and brought it right back. I just wanted to lay on their sofa for a while while I cooled down.

On topic, I really like the Ride Apart reviews.
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Old 12-25-2013, 07:38 PM   #14
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MCN is the only one I have read that comes close to being candid.

Mainstream motorcycle and car mags pull a lot of punches. The British car show Top Gear reflects the candor we need in car and bike reviews. I just love it when they call a new car "rubbish".

Test rides and/or lots if Internet surfing is necessary to get the real scoop.
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Old 12-25-2013, 09:19 PM   #15
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The average "review" is less than 400 miles, can't even get the mirrors adjusted just so in that amount of time. They're all as "honest" as a person can be in such a short amount of time.
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