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Old 02-07-2014, 09:41 AM   #31
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Not very much AFAIK. Perhaps softer rubber in the sealing portion of the bead. Tubeless wheels need to have a safety bead to keep a deflated tubeless tire on the rim. Dirt bike wheels, designed to run with tubes, generally do not have safety beads which makes tire changing easier. Larger adventure bikes have safety beads on the rear wheels (at least) for safety reasons. Tubeless wheels often require special tools to break the bead of the tire when changing tires.



Might be good for someone who knows the tire business to respond. I know very little.

I have no official training on tires, but I do change my own tires both tubeless and tube type. Personally some of the toughest tires to change are dirt bike tires. I have a few different head breaking tools. They all work equally as well on both types of tires.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:45 AM   #32
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I've got a set of Kenda Big Blocks that the new owner of my 990 didn't want. I plan to see if they seal on my 1190 R. People run them on BMW's which are tubeless.
I put a pair of those on my 950 and while the front was OK, the back didn't last a week.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:56 PM   #33
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So who has stock now on TKC 80 in 150/70r18 TL?
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:42 PM   #34
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I snagged one from Revzilla, but I'm really missing the D606 after a ride in the grease that is Georgia clay last weekend.
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Old 02-07-2014, 02:22 PM   #35
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I put a pair of those on my 950 and while the front was OK, the back didn't last a week.
The pair I will test were on my 990 for about 400 miles and were holding up quite well. I'll post results later.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:59 PM   #36
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"'Not very much AFAIK.'"

What the heck is AFAIK???

I didn't mind the Kenda BB, however like mentioned didn't last long. Did read that there was supposed to be a new compound to assist in longevity, but like all tires I'm sure it depends on how hard you are on the throttle and riding style. But I haven't tried any other knobbies though so my experience is limited with them. I do however LOVE the Mefo SE and the longevity rocks, 8500+ miles...

Would it be possible to use a sealant around the bead if you use a tubed tire on a tubeless rim? There was mention of special tools to break the bead on tubeless, however I have come across utube vids of guys breaking the beads on their bm's with the sidestand and changing the tire with "normal" tire levers...

Thoughts on those in the KNOW... Thanks!!

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Old 02-07-2014, 05:16 PM   #37
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I snagged one from Revzilla, but I'm really missing the D606 after a ride in the grease that is Georgia clay last weekend.

Hmmm Revzilla was supposed to email me when they came in. The D606 is my favorite tire for DS riding as well but they just will not make anything bigger than 130 70. Going to Revzilla now.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:18 PM   #38
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Revzilla still shows no stock but at least they put up the listing
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:27 PM   #39
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"'Not very much AFAIK.'"

What the heck is AFAIK???


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Old 02-08-2014, 11:58 AM   #40
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I've focused on the rear as the front options seems to be more available and meet most criteria. However, opinions on the fronts are welcome and appreciated. The rear is another discussion all together.

The rear has a few issues and criteria:

1. Must use stock wheels
2. Per #1, must be tubeless
3. Must be available



Here's what I've come up with for off-road tire options

Pirelli:
Scorpion MT90/AT - Looks pretty street oriented...experiences?



Others? Please add to this list...

According to the Pirelli rep, the Scorpion Rally TL for the 1190 R will be available in North America in about six months. Not much help right know, but it means there will be a another option to add to the ultimate tire thread for those who want more aggressive tire than the 21" TKC 80 in a tubeless. The tubeless 90/90 21 front is available outside of North America now but a 150/70 18 tubeless rear is not. I suspect that is why there will be a six month wait.

Too bad we can't get the front right away seeing as it's already made
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Old 02-08-2014, 03:40 PM   #41
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Are you guys sure?

From what I can see the 1190-R has 21-18" wheels and needs tubes.
The regular 1190 has 19-17" on spoked tubless rims (same as a GS12)
At least this is what I saw on the two bikes at the NYC bike show.

You can always put a tube in a tubless tire. However a tube-only tire,
like the Mefo 150/70-18, will not seal on the rim (must have a tube).

Ive never seen a tubless 21" wheel. On my 950 I run the K60 150/70-18
on a Woodys tubless rim. My 21" front (TKC) uses a tube.

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Old 02-08-2014, 04:37 PM   #42
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All 1190's are tubeless. And the valve stem is offset so you cannot use a tube. Plenty of posts here about it.
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Old 02-08-2014, 04:49 PM   #43
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All 1190's are tubeless. And the valve stem is offset so you cannot use a tube. Plenty of posts here about it.
Just the rear on my 1190R is offset. You would have to remove the TPS. Don't know what size hole it leaves.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:56 PM   #44
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All 1190's are tubeless. And the valve stem is offset so you cannot use a tube. Plenty of posts here about it.
It has been done.....

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...&postcount=243
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Old 02-09-2014, 06:06 AM   #45
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The tubeless TKC front is readily available, my dealer had them in 2 days, it's the rear that's the issue. I love the Mitas e09 rear and it has been fantastic both on road and off.

Someone out there needs to try the Metzeler Karoo 3. An accomplished rider I know used one on a 1200GS WC and he said it worked great but made the bike tough to get the rear end to kick out on fire roads as it has a "self-centering" quality. I think the HP of the 1190 might challenge that? They also seem to be readily available in 150/70-18 TL here in the USA.
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