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Old 01-12-2014, 04:20 PM   #211
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It'd be interesting to know what's different between NZ and Europe. Here there is no evidence of color effecting crashes ...
Source? I learned the opposite (also no source though - but at least it goes with common sense)

One thing many seem to forget is that safety gear does not only help in the case of a crash, but it also protects from heat, rain, bugs and cold. To a degree it brings the bike closer to a cage, true, but that degree is rather small. It is a big difference to for example seat belts that serve (almost) no purpose than crash protection.

Whether this added gear (with its comfort and perceived safety margin) increases risky behavior enough to offset its benefits is debatable at best. The same discussion is going on with ski helmets (where it is actually less an issue because most skiers are more reigned in by their worry about broken bones).

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I don't think you can safely make a judgment call about all riders that don't wear gear, or all riders that wear gear.
Yes you can. Let me take it to an extreme for the sake of an argument: If someone is playing Russian roulette, with only one chamber empty, then I can make a judgment call and say that this is dumb. Pretty easily.

Of course riding is different and actually pretty safe, no matter what amount of gear. But you can for example look at statistics, and if there is one huge factor killing people in a crash, try to do something about it. I am thinking of helmets. Other items might not help as much, so more and more you get into the area where you can debate their usefulness.

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Why do so many people on this forum get so concerned over what other people ride/wear/do, and make it their lifes mission to impose their will on the rest of the riding population?
I think it is more about fighting myths and misconceptions than trying to impose wills on anyone. And trying to understand decisions made by people thinking differently, but I might be mistaken.

Many people in this thread made a point of saying that it is people's own decision, but at least it should be an informed one.

I go a bit further and say that their decision directly and indirectly affects other people, and if they take too much of a risk they are being selfish pricks. Just what is too much of a risk is the discussion of course. But also this decision should be based on statistics and a sound basis (again speaking in favor of helmets - at least for me)
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Old 01-12-2014, 04:20 PM   #212
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[QUOTE=MacNoob;23148493]Met a guy who's got over a million miles on Harleys. I think he's on something like his 27th Electra Glide?

that may a person in NE GA. Harley gives him his bikes in exchange for feedback on changes. He rides approximately 60K a year. When he goes out with his wife, she follows in the car.........,but I digress from the question of HD riders and gear. I had a Fat Boy for about two months five years ago during a warm season. I rode about 2,000 miles on it before trading for a DS. I loved it after having MANY bikes over 40 years (Brits, Italian, German and lots of metrics) did not have a doo rag or leathers. For some reason I let go of prior reasoning of all that made sense and would typically wear my denim pants, Carhart T's and a modular helmet, oh yah and gloves. And yet I look at riders, any brand, not reasonably protected and wonder what goes on there, don't they realize the risks? That must make me a hypocrite.

I am typically "all the gear most of the time" and at least "most of the gear all the time" although last summer in 95 degree temps I was on a job in SC (no helmet state) and I would ride the two miles from job site to eat out for lunch and ride w/o helmet. I felt like a kid stealing cookies from the cookie jar hoping I would not get caught. I didn't!
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Old 01-12-2014, 05:01 PM   #213
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So......how many ATGATT nazis have had the ole in and out without a rubber and no intention of having a little Jonny or Jane?

If you have then your argument is invalid.
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Old 01-12-2014, 06:14 PM   #214
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So......how many ATGATT nazis have had the ole in and out without a rubber and no intention of having a little Jonny or Jane?

If you have then your argument is invalid.
I don't know of any guys who have had a little Johnny or Jane. It's always been the gals.
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Old 01-12-2014, 07:19 PM   #215
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I'm thinking of joining a Ducati owner’s forum. I hoping the views of the forum won't be stereotypical Ducati owners who look down on my Japanese manufactured bikes as inferior. If they do I'll sling a few obscenities at them telling them they are biased and bigoted and stop insulting me by referring to my bike as a 'rice grinder'.

Based upon my anticipated success on the Ducati owners forum, I then plan to join a HD owners forum and politely explain to them the benefits of wearing hi-viz clothing.
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Old 01-12-2014, 08:48 PM   #216
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Well yeah, but does it sound like a fing hot rod and handle like a pregnant mule?
No. But it is uninspiring, bland and vanilla.
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:12 PM   #217
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No. But it is uninspiring, bland and vanilla.
Not to mention slow.
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:51 PM   #218
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So......how many ATGATT nazis have had the ole in and out without a rubber and no intention of having a little Jonny or Jane?

If you have then your argument is invalid.
a: I haven't been that careless
b: all protective gear can fail.

but I'm not a nazi, I ride in jeans on occasion depending on how hot I am when running local errands.
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Old 01-12-2014, 10:51 PM   #219
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I'm thinking of joining a Ducati owner’s forum. I hoping the views of the forum won't be stereotypical Ducati owners who look down on my Japanese manufactured bikes as inferior. If they do I'll sling a few obscenities at them telling them they are biased and bigoted and stop insulting me by referring to my bike as a 'rice grinder'.

Based upon my anticipated success on the Ducati owners forum, I then plan to join a HD owners forum and politely explain to them the benefits of wearing hi-viz clothing.
Then you could join a BMW owners forum and tell them their final drives don't work.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:20 PM   #220
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So, the previous 13 pages aren't peppered with words like "pirate", "bad ass", "lifestyle", blah,blah,blah? My guess is, they are. If not, my apologies. Every thread on this forum, that has anything to do with H-D, ends up there, and I doubt that this one will be any different.

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Read it. Pretty much the wear what you wear if you are willing to pay the consequences croud was the largest. There was some of the lifestyle crap and, let's face it, some stereotypes have their basis in reality, but for the most part you should read the pages before whining.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:22 PM   #221
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Then you could join a BMW owners forum and tell them their final drives don't work.
Or an adv forum.
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Old 01-12-2014, 11:54 PM   #222
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I guess I am guilty of using the previously mentioned "fucked up" logic.....I know I push harder when wearing the proper gear, than I do when riding in jeans and a t-shirt.
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Source? I learned the opposite (also no source though - but at least it goes with common sense)
MAIDS report, similar to the HURT report in the US, but newer - and it goes with common sense as well.

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One thing many seem to forget is that safety gear does not only help in the case of a crash, but it also protects from heat, rain, bugs and cold.
Why do you think so?

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I go a bit further and say that their decision directly and indirectly affects other people, and if they take too much of a risk they are being selfish pricks.
I'd say the selfish pricks are the ones who want to tell others to radically change their way of life, just because maybe they might be a little little bit indirectly effected.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:04 AM   #224
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I go a bit further and say that their decision directly and indirectly affects other people, and if they take too much of a risk they are being selfish pricks.
People like you are the "selfish pricks" Mind your own and keep your laws off of me and my personal choices.

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Just what is too much of a risk is the discussion of course. But also this decision should be based on statistics and a sound basis (again speaking in favor of helmets - at least for me)
What is too much...? That is for the individual to decide.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:10 AM   #225
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Source? I learned the opposite (also no source though - but at least it goes with common sense)

One thing many seem to forget is that safety gear does not only help in the case of a crash, but it also protects from heat, rain, bugs and cold.
That is why I wear my (mostly Black) gear. It is there to protect me from the elements. (With the added bonus of impact and abrasion resistance in the event of a get off)

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