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Old 01-21-2014, 07:49 PM   #286
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Then I would say you're understood my point, and were 100% in agreement. The desire to fit in with our peers is the most powerful influence on our behaviour. Some adopt positive practices to fit in with their chosen group (ATGATT), and some adopt negative practices (wearing little protective gear).

None of us like to admit the level that others influence us, so we kid ourselves that we have made an 'individual decision'. Show me a person who really truely doesn't give a dam what others think, and I'll show you a narcisist.
I agree 100%!
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Old 01-21-2014, 11:51 PM   #287
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I could mount an agrument that the Sicily comment is further evidence of peer pressure being the main thing that dictates behaviour. If these same people would wear ATGATT at home, why would they suddenly change when they get to a holiday destination? They do it, because everyone else is doing it.

Being hotter than home as a reason isn't going to fly.........
I bet that most people who are riding in Sicily live there all the time.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:09 AM   #288
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I bet that most people who are riding in Sicily live there all the time.
...and most are puttering around on Vespas.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:39 PM   #289
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...and most are puttering around on Vespas.
And probably drunk.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:43 PM   #290
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...and most are puttering around on Vespas.
And those Vespa's sure can go .......... see Harley v Vespa thread.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:55 PM   #291
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Don't disagree.

We here on ADV are exceptional riders and never make mistakes so I'm obviously preaching to the choir but most motorcycle accidents are rider error.

Does wearing more gear lead to increased risk taking?

Most here would probably say "no, not for me". I think otherwise.

Would you run through the nicest series of twisties at the same pace if in shorts, no helmet, and no gloves as you would fully geared? Of course this question really only applies to those that have ridden on occasion without all the gear......if you've never ridden without gear you really can't honeslty answer the question. My guess is without gear we would ride a little slower, wouldn't push the corners quite so hard, would leave a little more space between the cars in front, and slow a little more when appraoching an intersection or blind curve.

If you can honestly answer your riding would not change then you are an incredibly disciplined rider and my hats off to you.

Just something to think about, agree or disagree, no worries.
You know, I'm an older rider. I usually wear one of two Tour master jackets; on is hi-viz, the other is black...or used to be I ride the way I ride. Shuberth helmet, deer skin riding gloves...usually just jeans, and over the ankle boots. What I wear, does not affect how I ride, however, on the very few occasions when I've taken a short ride without gear, I've felt VERY vulnerable.
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:08 PM   #292
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You know, I'm an older rider. I usually wear one of two Tour master jackets; on is hi-viz, the other is black...or used to be I ride the way I ride. Shuberth helmet, deer skin riding gloves...usually just jeans, and over the ankle boots. What I wear, does not affect how I ride, however, on the very few occasions when I've taken a short ride without gear, I've felt VERY vulnerable.
So, on those very few occasions when you've taken a short ride without gear, were you:
1) peer pressured into trying to fit in.
2) uninformed about the perils of what might happen to you if you crash
3) totally clueless
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:34 PM   #293
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And probably drunk.
And with a bella ragazza on the back...

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So, on those very few occasions when you've taken a short ride without gear, were you:
1) peer pressured into trying to fit in.
2) uninformed about the perils of what might happen to you if you crash
3) totally clueless

Shouldn't one of the options be:

4) knew what should be done, but didn't because of time/effort/short distance to travel etc.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:59 PM   #295
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And with a bella ragazza on the back...

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Old 01-23-2014, 02:10 AM   #296
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Harley Bashing

I have never owned not will ever own a Harley. However I think the OP's post closely approaches "Harley-Rider bashing".

The reason why I say this, is that there are a whole bunch of riders aboard a wide variety of machines - including very pretty lady riders and pillions - who negotiate very dense & dangerous city traffic at speeds not far below that which Harley riders cruise at.

Some may very well wear a crash helmet but often have very little other protection.

There are plenty of "I'm ATGATT" threads on this forum.

I would like to politely ask the OP why he has singled out Harley riders?

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Old 01-23-2014, 02:29 AM   #297
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Don't disagree.

We here on ADV are exceptional riders and never make mistakes so I'm obviously preaching to the choir but most motorcycle accidents are rider error.

Does wearing more gear lead to increased risk taking?

Most here would probably say "no, not for me". I think otherwise.

Would you run through the nicest series of twisties at the same pace if in shorts, no helmet, and no gloves as you would fully geared? Of course this question really only applies to those that have ridden on occasion without all the gear......if you've never ridden without gear you really can't honeslty answer the question. My guess is without gear we would ride a little slower, wouldn't push the corners quite so hard, would leave a little more space between the cars in front, and slow a little more when appraoching an intersection or blind curve.

If you can honestly answer your riding would not change then you are an incredibly disciplined rider and my hats off to you.

Just something to think about, agree or disagree, no worries.
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:52 AM   #298
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I have never owned not will ever own a Harley. However I think the OP's post closely approaches "Harley-Rider bashing".

The reason why I say this, is that there are a whole bunch of riders aboard a wide variety of machines - including very pretty lady riders and pillions - who negotiate very dense & dangerous city traffic at speeds not far below that which Harley riders cruise at.

Some may very well wear a crash helmet but often have very little other protection.

There are plenty of "I'm ATGATT" threads on this forum.

I would like to politely ask the OP why he has singled out Harley riders?

John
I single them out for my question because they are by far the riders who wear little to no gear. My conservative guess would be, here in AZ, 90% or fewer wear nothing but sunglasses.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:45 AM   #299
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So what? Live your own life. Your question was answered a long time ago.

Don't start with the "social cost" bullshit. And that's exactly what it is. So many preach propaganda as fact it's sickening.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:45 AM   #300
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My conservative guess would be, here in AZ, 90% or fewer wear nothing but sunglasses.
What a disgusting thought.
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