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Old 02-12-2014, 03:40 AM   #376
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I wasn't counting the time for helmet, boots, gloves as the post I was replying to seemed to be about the hassles of a suit compared to riding with minimum gear. I just presumed that boots, gloves, and helmet were something they might already be doing and aimed to illustrate the difference in time required to go full gear.

So, I step into the left pants leg, zip two leg zippers and fasten one buckle, put on the jacket and zip up the front. That's probably less that two minutes. Street clothes go underneath. Reverse the process and I'm comfy for work or socializing.

The earplugs, helmet, and gloves, not to mention heated gear and rain gear when necessary will add to that time.
All that (minus helmet and gloves) still doesn't take me more than two minutes. I took care that my gear fits well on top of my normal clothes, and that it is easy and quick to put on and take off. Still, sometimes I wish I was less careful. I did have road rash many times from the bicycle however, and don't really need an amplified version of that.

Then I walk down to the bike, put on helmet and gloves, start it and take off. none of that "warming up" bullshit, just ride easier at the beginning

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So by that statistic you're more likely to die in a crash while wearing a helmet. What say ye to that?
It might just as well say that there are more people wearing helmets than not (over here, probably 100% of bikers killed in accidents wore a helmet and none did not, for example), or that they ride faster / worse / riskier, or that cars like to hit them more, or whatever. Correlation does not equal cause
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:26 AM   #377
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So by that statistic you're more likely to die in a crash while wearing a helmet. What say ye to that?
A lot of the helmets that riders wear are the novelty type and many are old and poor fitting that probably don't stay on in a crash.
I'll continue to wear my properly fitting full face helmet.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:00 AM   #378
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So by that statistic you're more likely to die in a crash while wearing a helmet. What say ye to that?
What I say, as someone who uses and teaches others to use statistics as my job, is that your are looking at the wrong sampling frame. Because the helmet only protects the head you would need to know the proportion of riders who died from a head injury for those wearing helmets and those not wearing helmets. Then you can perform a statistically valid 2-proportion test to determine with confidence whether wearing a helmet works to reduce head trauma deaths. Hell, I'd throw in broken necks as cause of death too just to be able to answer the objection of those who hypothesize that wearing a helmet can break your neck in a crash.

Yeah, I put my nerd hat on this morning.
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Old 02-12-2014, 07:26 AM   #379
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I know that. It was just an easy way to throw a wrench into the works. It's a genuine quote from the CDC,not something I made up.
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:12 PM   #380
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Just a footnote: The rider died a day after his accident. So sorry to hear that.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:22 PM   #381
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I know that. It was just an easy way to throw a wrench into the works. It's a genuine quote from the CDC,not something I made up.
Irony, it is not for everyone.
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Old 02-13-2014, 06:44 AM   #382
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atgatt/harley guys

i'm an extremist. i wear full aerostich transit armored leathers on the street year round.
changing my street boots from alpine stars scouts ( great boots ) to sidi crossfires! wear schuberth helmet. orange icon vest over transit jacket. armored gloves year round.
goofy? probably! safe in an off? hope so. worth it to me to take 30 minutes to put on gear and do safety check on machine.
i am always full of wonderment at harley guys in no/skull helmet, white tee, leather vest, jeans, no gloves, terminator sun glasses, and no boots.
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Old 02-13-2014, 09:58 AM   #383
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to me i gear up for my ride. if i'm just gonna cruise freeway i dress light. if i'm going twisty, i put on better gear, if i'm at the track i'm fully geared, so i dress for the risk. doesn't matter what bike you're on, but on a harley, the "risk" level of riding you're doing is generally, really low. not saying harleys cant go hit twisties, we've even had em at our track days, but, usually, they don't do much "dangerous" riding so, i dont fault em for it. i'm guilty as they are. the riders who are into the look, well, their priorities are a bit twisted but they'll figure it out eventually. i rode harleys/cruisers for 5 years the same way btw

after a long hot track day, it was time to cruise home
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:51 AM   #384
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Why bother with the gloves?
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:13 PM   #385
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Why bother with the gloves?
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:59 PM   #386
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Why bother with the gloves?
He's trolling. Got a bite. Reel him in.
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