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Old 08-22-2014, 05:30 AM   #1
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1190 adv starting problem

Hi all.
About a week now,my 1190 has a starting issue.
When it is cold,the starter runs normally and the bike starts after 2-3 revs as it starts since the first day i bought it.
But when it is warm,after a couple of km's,when i push the button it turns just for a half rev and then it stops,and i need to release the button and push it again in order to start the engine.
The bike was bought in May 2013,and has 10.000 kms on it.
There was no recall for my battery cables,and it seems to start difficultly since the first day.
The battery is in very good condition,and the multimeter with the ignition off shows 12,74 volts,so i don't think it is a battery matter...
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Old 08-22-2014, 05:50 PM   #2
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I would load test the battery, even if it's showing 12+ volts. See what the voltage drop is while you're pushing the start button? I'd also check all the connections and clean them up.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:57 PM   #3
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I had to replace my battery....9k miles. I had a dead cell
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:52 PM   #4
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Hmmm....I will check the voltage of the battery when i push the starter button and post here...
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:24 AM   #5
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I checked the voltage of the battery and the results are:

Battery voltage with ignition off:12,7 volts
battery voltage with ignition on:12,23 volts
battery voltage during engine start:10,7 volts
Battery voltage at second startup:10,3 volts

In what condition is my battery...?
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:09 AM   #6
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I checked the voltage of the battery and the results are:

Battery voltage with ignition off:12,7 volts
battery voltage with ignition on:12,23 volts
battery voltage during engine start:10,7 volts
Battery voltage at second startup:10,3 volts

In what condition is my battery...?
How long did you engage the starter the first time and was it still turning ( cranking) the engine over at a normal rate? Same with the second attempt? Usually a good battery will stay above 10.5 for 15 seconds or so, although I normally wouldn't crank the engine that long (starter gets too hot).

Personally, I would probably install a known good battery, or just buy a new one (but IDK if that's an option for you).

edit - what time is it in Greece ?
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:16 AM   #7
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This is how my airbox issue presented itself.

The 1190 battery is weak, no doubt, but you should eliminate the expensive possibility of a dirty intake with worn valves.

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Old 08-24-2014, 05:19 AM   #8
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How long did you engage the starter the first time and was it still turning ( cranking) the engine over at a normal rate? Same with the second attempt? Usually a good battery will stay above 10.5 for 15 seconds or so, although I normally wouldn't crank the engine that long (starter gets too hot).

Personally, I would probably install a known good battery, or just buy a new one (but IDK if that's an option for you).

edit - what time is it in Greece ?
I engaged the starter for about 2 seconds,until the engine started.It is the usual start for my bike since i bought it.The second attempt was the same as the first.Same time to start the engine,same strength the starter.
Although my bike is a 13 model there is no battery cable recall for me until now...
Is there an official recall for ALL models or for some specific VINs?
It is 15:00 here in Greece,and the temperature is about 40 celcius today...
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:22 AM   #9
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My dusted engine also wouldn't start when cold as there was not enough compression with the worn valves.

Easy enough to check the airbox for some peace of mind.
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:24 AM   #10
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This is how my airbox issue presented itself.

The 1190 battery is weak, no doubt, but you should eliminate the expensive possibility of a dirty intake with worn valves.

Seriously.
I checked it about a month ago,and apart from a small amount of oil which came here after a couple of wheelies,there was no dust...
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:27 AM   #11
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My dusted engine also wouldn't start when cold as there was not enough compression with the worn valves.

Easy enough to check the airbox for some peace of mind.
Mine doesn't start SOMETIMES only when it is HOT.
And if i release the button and press it again it always starts...
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:27 AM   #12
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I engaged the starter for about 2 seconds,until the engine started.It is the usual start for my bike since i bought it.The second attempt was the same as the first.Same time to start the engine,same strength the starter.
Although my bike is a 13 model there is no battery cable recall for me until now...
Is there an official recall for ALL models or for some specific VINs?
It is 15:00 here in Greece,and the temperature is about 40 celcius today...
I don't think you'll find out anything by loading the battery for only 2 seconds or so. Go ride it and get it hot, isn't that when you're having problems? Come home and shut it down, let it sit for 15-20 minutes so everything is heat soaked. Then try the "load test." My understanding is that when your bike is hot, the starter won't crank the engine fast enough / long enough to start the engine. If it cranks normally and the engine doesn't start, that's a different problem, not battery.

37.8 C yesterday, I've been working out side on tractors all morning and it's gotta be that hot or hotter today, and it's only noon.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:29 AM   #13
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Mine doesn't start SOMETIMES only when it is HOT.
And if i release the button and press it again it always starts...
Now I'm confused, when you're having problems is the starter turning the engine over and the engine just won't fire, or does the starter NOT turn the engine over?
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Old 08-24-2014, 10:05 AM   #14
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Now I'm confused, when you're having problems is the starter turning the engine over and the engine just won't fire, or does the starter NOT turn the engine over?
The starter does not turn the engine...
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The starter does not turn the engine...
Then I'd go get it hot and try to replicate the problem, then see what happens to battery voltage when you engage the starter. If your battery is showing 12+ volts and it doesn't change when you hit the starter and the starter doesn't spin then the problem sounds like it is "before" the battery. Wire, connection, ignition switch, relay, etc. If you hit the starter and the starter begins to spin and then craps out, and the voltage drops down under 10 volts, I would be suspicious of a battery problem.

Be sure to let it sit for 20 minutes or so after getting it hot before you attempt to start it and check voltage. And don't forget your mittens, we can't have you getting frost bite...
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