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Old 02-05-2014, 02:52 PM   #31
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You can download the user manual for the bike from KTM's site>Dealer & Service>Service.
http://www.ktm.com/gb/dealer-service...atalogues.html

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When the "Road" ABS mode is enabled, the brakes are also applied to the rear wheel when the front brake is activated. ABS can intervene on both wheels.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:03 PM   #32
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ECU= Electronic Control Unit.

Just sayin'

Just a guess here, but your confusion seems to be coming from Bosch documents. I believe KTM has used the same components in all models of the 1190 Adventure. Bosch Makes the ABS units for many different manufacturers. I don't believe they ever said that they used 2 separate units in the 1190 Adventure.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:24 PM   #33
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Two threads on this now?? Is that really necessary do you think?

I really wish you'd have bought a BMW...
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Old 02-06-2014, 12:31 AM   #34
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Please explain how KTM in 2012 had the foresight to fit an MM5.10 lean angle sensor in the tail of the 2013 production run, when Bosch did not start manufacturing the MM5.10 sensors until the middle of 2013?
The system has been in developement since 2010 but it wasn't completed in time for the launch date of the new 1190 as KTM didn't want to delay getting their new flagship adventure bike into the marketplace. The hardware was available and fitted to all the bikes (as it is also tied into the traction control), but the programming software hadn't been fully completed which is why KTM are able to retro-fit the system into the 2013 bikes.

http://www.ktm.com/ae/news-events/ne...l#.UvM1n_l_uSo

My dealers principal salesman himself owns a 1190 and was the first to have the software upgrade installed in his bike here. He told me all about it, how they need the bike for 90/100 minutes for the download (they actually hook it up to a server back at KTM HQ in Austria for the download and it doesn't take just 10 minutes) and that no parts are changed or retro-fitted to the bike.

Ultimately, all 2013 model owners, at least the vast majority of those who want this new safety device, will have to pay for the system download to their bikes. So if all the information I've been given, first and second hand, is wrong and there is a need for some hardware to be changed on the bike, big deal. We're paying for it anyway with a fixed cost, so it doesn't matter one jot what my KTM tech guy has to do to my bike and at the end of the day, my 2013 bike will have the MSC fitted.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:03 AM   #35
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Hi Davy, thanks a lot for great explanation.
No problems, just hope it is enough for other '13 1190 owners.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:20 AM   #36
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Hi Davy, thanks a lot for great explanation. That explains things apart from the difference in the videos and press releases where Bosch show a different 5 port ABS unit fitted to the Adventure than the one KTM have used (4 port), and also the KTM exploded parts microfiche that show no lean angle sensor. I guess this documentation is the stuff that is wrong.

Item n°16 (frame doc, not engine).

Mine is MY2013 and I saw the angle sensor when I installed the auxiliary lights



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Old 02-06-2014, 08:47 AM   #37
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Item n°16 (frame doc, not engine).
I think is no. 12 - Sloping Position Sensor. If you zoom into component 12 (in your original PDF), you may recognise that it's identical to the Bosch lean-angle sensor, shown below.

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Old 02-06-2014, 10:05 AM   #38
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may be you are right
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Old 02-06-2014, 03:37 PM   #39
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:51 AM   #40
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The final word on MSC retrofit...

... here you go: http://blog.ktm.com/msc-retrofitting...-how-it-works/

No hardware upgrade after all.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:34 AM   #41
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... here you go: http://blog.ktm.com/msc-retrofitting...-how-it-works/

No hardware upgrade after all.
Well.....that puts the issue to bed!
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Old 02-14-2014, 10:29 AM   #42
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Fantastic news there is no hardware upgrade!
Has anybody applied the MSC upgrade in 2013 model to tell us impressions and differences?
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Old 02-15-2014, 03:42 AM   #43
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Fantastic news there is no hardware upgrade!
Has anybody applied the MSC upgrade in 2013 model to tell us impressions and differences?
Nobody is going to be able to tell you the difference.
For anyone to test the before and after means :
Before - crash when applying the brakes whilst leant over.
After - not possible because bike was wrecked in first test!

Just watch the KTM video to see if your bike and your bones are worth the extra €399. I think mine are......
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:58 AM   #44
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couple of guys updated their 2013 over here and i have been reading quite often now that the speedo is showing more 20% too much, afterwards! Looks like it only happens when updating MSC. I will not update yet...
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:10 AM   #45
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without MSC: gps 100 km/h dash says +/- 110 km/h
with 2014 MSC: gps 100 km/h dash says +/- 123 km/h
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