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Old 10-09-2014, 07:58 AM   #1
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KTM 1190 Adv vs Ducati MTS 1200 S : my review

Hi everybody,

I came over here before buying my KTM, learned a lot, so somehow I would like to add information for the community.

Here and there, I see some comparisons between the KTM 1190 and the Ducati Multistrada 1200. I just sold my Ducati to buy a KTM, and I will explain why, comparing both machines, of course related to my usage.

I'm living in France near Paris, so I use my bike to commute once or twice a week, with 10 km of rough country roads, 70 km of freeway, then 20 km of traffic jam (driving between 2nd and third lane, between the two lines of stopped cars...not legal, but more or less tolerated), then 5 km of pure city. All year round, all weather.

I had the Ducati for 2 years, logged 17 000 km, and decided to switch to KTM.

The reasons of this move are :

- The Ducati was really not ageing well : rusted screws, electric glitches (when your fancy electric tank cap does not open at the gas station, you feel really lonely...), error messages about exhauts valve, tank plastic becoming matt

- The speedometer is off by 8% on the Ducati...Well, it's the same on the KTM...Guess they do that on purpose to avoid claims if you get fined

- The best thing in the MTS is the engine. However, in Sport mode it's next to useless for quiet driving, and Urban mode is still not smooth enough for the traffic jams and the city. Due to this, the Ducati is much more tiring to drive that the KTM, which in "Rain" mode is like cream

- I tried 3 aftermarket windscreens (Ducati extented, MRA, Palmer), and never really succeeded in having a correct wind protection. I'm 1m82, quite "normal", and driving the MTS around 130-140 km/h is just a pain : lots of turbulence and noises, after 1/2 hour you feel exhausted.

- Especially in the cities, I love using rear brake, but the Ducati has no rear brake : everything is in place, but it just does not work. KTM rear brake works, and combined breaks works (no combined front-rear on the Ducati).

- I had to add aftermarkets Tire Pressure Monitoring, not available OEM from Ducati

- No warning lights on the MTS, a real security device when moving between lines of car

- all in all, the KTM is much more confortable (even with OEM seat) to drive longer

- Within 2 years, I had to go 3 times to the dealer to fix things : electric Neiman not working, pannier stuck in the support, leaky top case, dashboard issues (lights half glowing, probably an earthing issue), electronic key not recognized.

- Last but not least, I trade my 2 years MTS for a brand new KTM 1190 Std with TPMS, Electrics suspensions,...and I just added 1000 Euros, which translate in "a new Ducati is wayyyy overpriced".

I'm not saying the MTS is not a good bike. It has an enormous engine which give you a lot of pleasure when you feel like it. But definitely, for my usage, the KTM is much better, and in "sport" mode the engine is almost on par with the MTS.

Just my 2 cents...
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Old 10-09-2014, 03:12 PM   #2
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Hi everybody,

I came over here before buying my KTM, learned a lot, so somehow I would like to add information for the community.

Here and there, I see some comparisons between the KTM 1190 and the Ducati Multistrada 1200. I just sold my Ducati to buy a KTM, and I will explain why, comparing both machines, of course related to my usage.

I'm living in France near Paris, so I use my bike to commute once or twice a week, with 10 km of rough country roads, 70 km of freeway, then 20 km of traffic jam (driving between 2nd and third lane, between the two lines of stopped cars...not legal, but more or less tolerated), then 5 km of pure city. All year round, all weather.

I had the Ducati for 2 years, logged 17 000 km, and decided to switch to KTM.

The reasons of this move are :

- The Ducati was really not ageing well : rusted screws, electric glitches (when your fancy electric tank cap does not open at the gas station, you feel really lonely...), error messages about exhauts valve, tank plastic becoming matt

- The speedometer is off by 8% on the Ducati...Well, it's the same on the KTM...Guess they do that on purpose to avoid claims if you get fined

- The best thing in the MTS is the engine. However, in Sport mode it's next to useless for quiet driving, and Urban mode is still not smooth enough for the traffic jams and the city. Due to this, the Ducati is much more tiring to drive that the KTM, which in "Rain" mode is like cream

- I tried 3 aftermarket windscreens (Ducati extented, MRA, Palmer), and never really succeeded in having a correct wind protection. I'm 1m82, quite "normal", and driving the MTS around 130-140 km/h is just a pain : lots of turbulence and noises, after 1/2 hour you feel exhausted.

- Especially in the cities, I love using rear brake, but the Ducati has no rear brake : everything is in place, but it just does not work. KTM rear brake works, and combined breaks works (no combined front-rear on the Ducati).

- I had to add aftermarkets Tire Pressure Monitoring, not available OEM from Ducati

- No warning lights on the MTS, a real security device when moving between lines of car

- all in all, the KTM is much more confortable (even with OEM seat) to drive longer

- Within 2 years, I had to go 3 times to the dealer to fix things : electric Neiman not working, pannier stuck in the support, leaky top case, dashboard issues (lights half glowing, probably an earthing issue), electronic key not recognized.

- Last but not least, I trade my 2 years MTS for a brand new KTM 1190 Std with TPMS, Electrics suspensions,...and I just added 1000 Euros, which translate in "a new Ducati is wayyyy overpriced".

I'm not saying the MTS is not a good bike. It has an enormous engine which give you a lot of pleasure when you feel like it. But definitely, for my usage, the KTM is much better, and in "sport" mode the engine is almost on par with the MTS.

Just my 2 cents...
I agree. Sold my multi for 1190r. One more thing to add is that the multi has no off pavement capability. I take my 1190r all kinds of places that a person with half a brain wouldn't. HW.
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Old 10-09-2014, 03:22 PM   #3
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Thats it

I still think the multi is a better street bike ( fantastic lump) drops into corners better. But the 1190r is a better do everything bike ( if dirt is important )

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Old 10-09-2014, 03:32 PM   #4
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I own the 1190R and have seat time on the STD 1190 and the Multi.

I used to lust after the MTS1200 until I rode one....

The transmission is terribly clunky and I had lots of missed shifts. The center stand is completely in the way of proper foot positioning on the left peg. I would have to either remove or modify it before the first ride. The engine is pretty snatchy. Fine for the road, but on dirt would be a liability.
The gauge panel is hard to read, and is 'busy'.
Off road worthiness isn't even in the same ball park, even against the STD 1190.

The KTM is the clear winner in pretty much every way, and I'm a self admitting 'Ducatisti' ( I own 2 of em!)
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:18 PM   #5
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A friend of mine has a MTS 1200, and both of us are often comparing bikes(I have the 1190 Adventurer R). It would be nice to see more comparisons between the two. I've often searched for 0-100k/h(0-60mph) figures for both, but always seem to find conflicting figures.

I haven't studied the gear ratios, but would assume the MTS has a higher first?

Great topic, hope there are more owners of both who can give their opinion!
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Old 10-10-2014, 02:28 AM   #6
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Thanks Scudrunner82, I forgot the rather unpleasant gearbox and the center stand that act as a second foot peg in a wrong place, you're totally right !

Of course off-road is a big difference between the two, but I'm not going often off-road with that big a bike (don't really have the skills...), so my point was that even disregarding off-read I'm happier with the KTM. It's clear that when you throw off-road (or even "pavement jumps") in, the game is over...
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Old 10-10-2014, 11:28 PM   #7
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One more thing to add is that the multi has no off pavement capability.
I think to be more accurate it has less off-pavement capability. MTS does just fine on forest roads.
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Old 10-11-2014, 03:52 AM   #8
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Hi all,

All true, however you are all missing the point.
Would you compare the MTS with a GS or a Tenerč?
Why when you read multi bike comparison on specialist journals the MTS is not among the adventure bikes?

The background is that I am a big KTM fun, I had 7 of them including 4 LC8 ADV. I live Ducati too and I currently have a MTS.
I tested the 1190R quite a lot.
I use bikes 360 degrees and I have good experience using bikes on

We are talking of two complete different bikes.

It is a no brainier to say and understand that a 19 or 21 front inch wheel will cope better in the urban setting compare to a 17 inch.
Also do not aspect the MTS to have any off road capability.
MTS riding position is much more aggressive compare to the 1190...hence less comfy for commuting. Same is valid for the pillion who will be much more comfy on a 1190!

MTS is a sport tourer, like the Honda VFR or the old Ducati ST.
The 1190 is an adventure/tourer bike like a GS and similar.

I agree that none of the MTS riding mods are very good for city riding. I personally keep in sport because I find it ok. Enduro is good in small narrow uneven surface road. I can also add that to filter traffic the MTS mirrors are a pain!
All true about rear brake and gear box...when you compare it to an adventure bike...however the MTS is a sport bike so it is in line with other sport bikes and are qualities no defects.

Quality??? The Ducati suffer with the dash board,the fault exhaust contact is an easy problem to fix spaying some W40 on the exhaust valve. I manage to bent a valve on the header of the 1190 by just stretching it on the motorway at normal rpm in 6th gear. Huge damage on normal use with less than 3000 miles...

So if you want a sport tourer capable to match a super sport bike on winding roads offering much more comfort though, being able to travel and maybe take it on the race track for fun ( and prefer it to other bikes including the 1190 for it far more attractive design ;-)!!! Even when with the panniers) then go for the MTS that is a unique bike in the current market.
If you then want an adventure tourer or a pure big twin adventure(R version), with great components, capable to offer good performance as street bike, every day commuter and tourer bike than consider the 1190 against other similar bikes such as the GS, Tenerč, Tiger and V Strom.

That is the way I see it!!

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Old 10-11-2014, 09:03 AM   #9
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I agree. Sold my multi for 1190r. One more thing to add is that the multi has no off pavement capability. I take my 1190r all kinds of places that a person with half a brain wouldn't. HW.
Good to hear, I love my Multi and was worried about some overlap between bikes when I purchase an 1190 R later this year, but I plan on doing the same thing with it - my Multi is way too pretty to get dirty but is my perfect sport touring bike.. Looking forward to taking the 1190 R where I would never take a Multi.
No reason not to own both, use the right tool for the job :)
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Old 10-12-2014, 04:00 AM   #10
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The Ducati was really not ageing well : rusted screws, electric glitches (when your fancy electric tank cap does not open at the gas station, you feel really lonely...), error messages about exhauts valve, tank plastic becoming matt.
yup , agree.

when I was shopping , it was between the MTS , the watercooled GS and the KTM 1190 and the MTS was already rusting in the showroom.

the Ducati's build quality is shocking , nuts and bolts rusting , plastics not properly de-flashed and ill fitting panels.
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