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Old 01-19-2014, 03:18 PM   #1
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:32 PM   #2
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Sorry I don't know much about the 1190 but why not a 990?
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:03 PM   #3
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I've just joined Advrider forums. Thanks to all with "KTM 1190 Adventure" motorcycles for your valuable insights - I've been swotting up, helped very much by your posts re the 1190 for the last month or so :-)

Background to my questions:

I'm a British ex-Pat living in Corfu, Greece. I'm about to place an order for a KTM Adventure 1190 2014 model, but am not sure what configuration and "extras" to specify, and I seek help and advice from current owners, please. I'm ordering via "Bikers & Bikes", a KTM dealer in Corfu and will probably ride from Corfu to Athens to collect the 1190 Adventure from KTM's Greece distributor when it's ready. I will trade in my VStrom 650 at the same time. I am not someone who farkles for bling's sake, but only when there is a comfort or safety benefit that's worth the extra outlay. I am a big bloke, 6 ft 2 in, 125 Kg. I will be doing mainly long distance solo touring across Europe with full luggage load, I do sometimes take "offroad" routes, especially mountain passes, but only easy ones with not too many potholes or ruts. I need an upright riding position because I have 3 vertebrae fused in my lower spine, the surgery being necessary after I crash landed while learning to fly a paraglider. I prefer twisty scenic routes to motorways :-)

The questions (sorry it's a long list):
  1. What is the comfort level of the Ergo seats compared with the standard 2-piece seats for long distance road touring, say 600 Km per day?
  2. Do the Ergo seats help at all in reducing the heat transmitted to the rider's bum from the rear cylinder/ exhaust?
  3. Do all 2014 Adventure 1190's come as standard with the new BOSCH MSC "lean angle sensitive" ABS/ Traction control?
  4. Does the 2014 Adventure R have stiffer / improved suspension compared with the standard 2014 Adventure? (my question is about the "quality" of the suspension units, not EDS).
  5. If fitted with standard tyres, would the 2014 Adventure R be a better or worse configuration for use 80% on-road 20% off road, compared with the standard 2014 Adventure?
  6. Before I take delivery of the new 1190 Adventure, can anyone help me with a list of known faults / problems for me to ask the KTM importer in Athens to check are resolved?
  7. If you are a similar height to me, which of the three windshields sold by KTM Powerparts give the smoothest and most comfortable ride?
  8. Will I need to fit bar risers to achieve an upright riding position?
  9. Have the "vibration problems" felt through the bars been resolved by KTM? What was the cause of the bar vibration? What is the "fix"?
If you can help even by answering just one of these questions, please post on this thread.

Many thanks in advance for your help!
Rob
Seats are a pretty personal item opinions vary widely but the stock seat on my 2014 (non R) seemed pretty good however I did install the "comfort seat" for the heating option and it is a little more comfortable than stock not to mention it adds a little height to the bike. I'm 6' and went from comfortable reach to the ground to just barely able to flat foot it as the front of seat area is wider and a little taller.
I would say that the heat issue is the same between the two but KTM did add a heat reflector pad that should help.
USA models have the MSC and it does work however I sometimes feel that I have a nanny overruling me at times
You will definitely need the tallest windscreen you can get as the standard model windscreen is too short and not wide enough for all day comfort at highway speeds.
Yes get higher bar mounts, the 25mm taller stands made the fit much better for me.
Vibration????? Have not noticed much in the way of vibration in my bike.
Stock tires are pretty good considering, however I have only done some moist clay/gravel dirt roads and dry hard dirt roads.
The only real issue I had with mine was under the passenger seat their was no room for the tool kit since I had this stupid evap canister in the way, so I accidentally lost it
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Old 01-19-2014, 06:15 PM   #4
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Seats are a pretty personal item opinions vary widely but the stock seat on my 2014 (non R) seemed pretty good however I did install the "comfort seat" for the heating option and it is a little more comfortable than stock not to mention it adds a little height to the bike. I'm 6' and went from comfortable reach to the ground to just barely able to flat foot it as the front of seat area is wider and a little taller.
I would say that the heat issue is the same between the two but KTM did add a heat reflector pad that should help.
USA models have the MSC and it does work however I sometimes feel that I have a nanny overruling me at times
You will definitely need the tallest windscreen you can get as the standard model windscreen is too short and not wide enough for all day comfort at highway speeds.
Yes get higher bar mounts, the 25mm taller stands made the fit much better for me.
Vibration????? Have not noticed much in the way of vibration in my bike.
Stock tires are pretty good considering, however I have only done some moist clay/gravel dirt roads and dry hard dirt roads.
The only real issue I had with mine was under the passenger seat their was no room for the tool kit since I had this stupid evap canister in the way, so I accidentally lost it
What is the evap canister and what does it do? Is it like an appendix or gall bladder? I too would prefer the tool kit under the seat.

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Old 01-19-2014, 07:44 PM   #5
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Bring money, be happy. Ride it a while, make it your yours.
Don't over think it. It's a fabulous motorcycle, you will love it.
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:10 PM   #6
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Dear Rob

Please read this article.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/15/ktm-1190-adventure-road-test-review-photos-specifications/

Yes buy the ergo seat you will like it more than stock.

Dont worry about the heat, while you are riding its fine, your mind is on the thrill of the ride not the heat so much.
At standstill it emits some heat, but not enough for you to send it back..


This is an amazing Vtwin bike with so much going for it.
Its not perfect, but it will reward you in many ways you have not expected.
Also it will make you more confident and you will ride like a pro.
Maybe you will even throw that Viagra box away.

I did not have a test ride on any 1190 and im riding one.
have a look at my sign off.

Im just an average pleb who loves the thrill of riding..
Imagine once you get it to 5,000rpm and above ..

Think of it as the best souvlaki and wine in the known world..
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:06 PM   #7
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You need to know that every time you get off it your face cheeks will hurt from the all day smile.
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Old 01-20-2014, 02:58 AM   #8
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You need to know that every time you get off it your face cheeks will hurt from the all day smile.
I knoow some other cheeks that will hurt as well if you dont get the ergo seat..
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Old 01-20-2014, 03:44 AM   #9
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I've just joined Advrider forums. Thanks to all with "KTM 1190 Adventure" motorcycles for your valuable insights - I've been swotting up, helped very much by your posts re the 1190 for the last month or so :-)

Background to my questions:

I'm a British ex-Pat living in Corfu, Greece. I'm about to place an order for a KTM Adventure 1190 2014 model, but am not sure what configuration and "extras" to specify, and I seek help and advice from current owners, please. I'm ordering via "Bikers & Bikes", a KTM dealer in Corfu and will probably ride from Corfu to Athens to collect the 1190 Adventure from KTM's Greece distributor when it's ready. I will trade in my VStrom 650 at the same time. I am not someone who farkles for bling's sake, but only when there is a comfort or safety benefit that's worth the extra outlay. I am a big bloke, 6 ft 2 in, 125 Kg. I will be doing mainly long distance solo touring across Europe with full luggage load, I do sometimes take "offroad" routes, especially mountain passes, but only easy ones with not too many potholes or ruts. I need an upright riding position because I have 3 vertebrae fused in my lower spine, the surgery being necessary after I crash landed while learning to fly a paraglider. I prefer twisty scenic routes to motorways :-)

The questions (sorry it's a long list):
  1. What is the comfort level of the Ergo seats compared with the standard 2-piece seats for long distance road touring, say 600 Km per day? I find the standard seat surprisingly OK. I use it on the lower setting (along with the option taller screen) to keep out of the wind. I'm 6'1" so find the std. seat in the taller position too high for me - for reaching to the ground. Not forgetting there's nothing to stop you buying the Ergo seat AFTER you have had the bike a while, to see how you get on.
  2. Do the Ergo seats help at all in reducing the heat transmitted to the rider's bum from the rear cylinder/ exhaust? Given that the Ergo seat is also heated, I find this question funny....However, there is a heatshield for the std. seat now which should be std. fit for 2014. If you find the heat still being transmitted to your legs, a couple of pieces of Plastic card tie wrapped to the frame under the front seat works for me.
  3. Do all 2014 Adventure 1190's come as standard with the new BOSCH MSC "lean angle sensitive" ABS/ Traction control? They should do, that's why the price went up.
  4. Does the 2014 Adventure R have stiffer / improved suspension compared with the standard 2014 Adventure? (my question is about the "quality" of the suspension units, not EDS). It's longer travel than the Std. model. I'd go for the Std. ADV with the EDS - it's only 500 and well worth it.
  5. If fitted with standard tyres, would the 2014 Adventure R be a better or worse configuration for use 80% on-road 20% off road, compared with the standard 2014 Adventure? Go for the Std. model - the Conti's are OK for light off-road.
  6. Before I take delivery of the new 1190 Adventure, can anyone help me with a list of known faults / problems for me to ask the KTM importer in Athens to check are resolved? Sidestand foot is extended for 2014 bike vs. 2013. Heatshield under the seat. Some talk of steering damper bushes and rear shock (Adv R) bushes.
  7. If you are a similar height to me, which of the three windshields sold by KTM Powerparts give the smoothest and most comfortable ride? If you go for the R model, stick with the low screen. If you go for Std. bike, go for the High option screen - it's wider than std. and eliminates the buffeting for me, if not the wind noise.
  8. Will I need to fit bar risers to achieve an upright riding position? No - the std. bars are fine for normal road riding.
  9. Have the "vibration problems" felt through the bars been resolved by KTM? What was the cause of the bar vibration? What is the "fix"? It's a v-twin ergo the bars vibrate. As on my VFR1200, my old FJR1300, my CB900 - you get the thread? There is no change by KTM. If you find the vibes too much, get some Grip Puppies. I find the handlebar position better than my VFR12, as the latter causes my wrists to be at an uncomfortable angle and causes my hands to gradually go numb. Doesn't happen with the ADV.
If you can help even by answering just one of these questions, please post on this thread.

Many thanks in advance for your help!
Rob
Rob, don't forget that you can always fit the bits after you've tried the standard ones!!

BTW, I use the Touring panniers and topbox as they're huge and don't stick out like the metal ones. When fitted, they are as wide as the handlebars so I can still filter in traffic. However, I also have the ESA in order to easily compensate for weight/load.
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:32 AM   #10
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Bring a bottle of Advil with you, after a hour of riding it your face is going to hurt from smiling so much!
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Old 02-03-2014, 01:16 PM   #12
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Guys, just wanted to thank you for your helpful replies. Have ordered an 1190 ADV R with Ergo seats and a few other KTM parts. It fits me well with my 34" inseam. Will post pics in a week or two after I collect it.
You mean to tell me that you don't have one yet? With all of the advice you have been giving around here lately I figured you must have gotten the first one made and restored it twice already.

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Old 02-03-2014, 02:04 PM   #13
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Old 02-03-2014, 03:08 PM   #14
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No big deal, when I went to test ride the 1190 the first time I had to explain to the salesmen how most of the bike functioned. Have fun with it and keep contributing!
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Old 02-03-2014, 05:49 PM   #15
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You def sound like you are using your engineering part of the brain vs emotional side hence why I think the boys are just giving you a little ribbing :)

Gosh from reading your first post I was going to throw out a recommendation for the touring model lol

Not saying the R is the wrong choice but it sounds like you will be doing more touring that dirt and even less single track which would make you an ideal candidate for touring model with its electronic suspension and seat design....Still with that said you are taller so height shouldn't be a problem

What I like about the R is that is brings more off road capability mainly to (thanks partly to the larger wheels) and my guess increased dirt tire selection this off road worthy ness does come at a cost at of slightly different road handling (once again thanks larger front wheel lol) most noticeable slower turn in .

From an engineering stand point Vibration is a subjective. some would say non issue for me my right hand still falls a sleep. I'm currently re engineering lol installed ktm PDS no real noticeable difference, may ultimately go with BRP? Isolated handlebar/ unbar damper setup ...if they make one for the 1190 .
Also may go with the twisted engineering carbon fiber bars, have this set I'm my 500 it did reduce vibration and arm pump also sweep angle is different..just not really sure if those bars would fare on a off with the bigger bike, even on the small bike I view those bars as a wearable item .

Also on the R I hear bars are different different width and sweep. ...think more elbows up position that the touring model.


Seating position subjective ..... With your height a taller seat would help btw the bottom of the touring seat did not have any heat insulating material the R did.
dealer let me trade R seat for the touring model as at a 29-30 inch inseam I'm on my tippy toes the touring seat is slightly lower.

No input on msc but I if I recall one could just go thru the display menu and see if it's there?

Air box on the 13s were of issue not sure if euro model was updated but once again there are pics of the US bikes showing additional internal supports.

prob the best advise I read was buy it and add or subtract parts to make it your own.

enjoy your new toy!
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