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Old 01-24-2014, 09:11 AM   #121
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No he isn't, run the west end of the PA Turnpike, 85mph traffic, hills sweepers and g outs. Likewise I-8 into San Diego is crazy curvy.

I haven't got to run back across the 8 yet with a bike, that ids my plan for tomorrow morning.
I 70 across Colorado from Golden going West is a hoot if you go while the cops are still in the donut shop, you can go like Hell around high speed sweepers for hundreds of miles.


Wouldn't be much fun chugging along at 2,500 RPM.
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:33 PM   #122
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It seems part of the problem here is the failure to comprehend that not everybody who rides is a thrill seeker looking for an adrenaline fix.

Most of my riding is for transportation, when I do ride strictly for recreation It's mostly about exploring new areas and seeing new things.
Neither of my bikes are considered good choices for extended freeway travel, and its not my preferred way to go, but riding on the freeway is still riding and that makes it OK by default.

I can't imagine any circumstance I would prefer to be in a cage.
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:45 PM   #123
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Hi Bill,
No doubt your right. Brains a bit slow to catch on, to many years of substance abuse is my excuse.

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lol, Bill was right. I should have used the sarcasm font




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Old 01-24-2014, 04:14 PM   #124
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I 70 across Colorado from Golden going West is a hoot if you go while the cops are still in the donut shop, you can go like Hell around high speed sweepers for hundreds of miles.


Wouldn't be much fun chugging along at 2,500 RPM.
I'll have to admit, it was a tad bit entertaining when we did that doing about 130. But you can't get away with that for very long. What was really funny was the nimrod in a Charger trying to hang with us for a couple minutes.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:15 PM   #125
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It seems part of the problem here is the failure to comprehend that not everybody who rides is a thrill seeker looking for an adrenaline fix.

Most of my riding is for transportation, when I do ride strictly for recreation It's mostly about exploring new areas and seeing new things.
Neither of my bikes are considered good choices for extended freeway travel, and its not my preferred way to go, but riding on the freeway is still riding and that makes it OK by default.

I can't imagine any circumstance I would prefer to be in a cage.
Cause like I said, you're doing it wrong.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:38 PM   #126
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Cause like I said, you're doing it wrong.
Not sure what you feel I'm doing wrong.

Is being a cage free full time rider "doing it wrong"?

Is riding for adventure rather than speed "doing it wrong"?

Is there a "doing it right" manual? is there a secret handshake? does it give you minty fresh breath?

I thought riding was about enjoyment, never realized there was a rule book or check list.

Funny how wrong can feel so right.

Is not limiting myself in how and where I ride "doing it wrong"?
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:50 PM   #127
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I'm often riding from point A to B, but the most enjoyable way to do it is on a motorcycle. Not to mention, taking 11/12hrs out of the day to just ride around your state and explore is definitely an adventure, even if you never touch dirt. The only real difference between roads and trails is that some guy said "let's pave this so we can go faster". So unless you never ride on roads, trails, paths, etc., One could easily say that YOU are in fact the one not doing it "right". You're already following the path of thousands of people before you, no matter where you ride. The only thing that differs is your experience.

I'm riding because it's a passion, not for entertainment. For entertainment I have the internet.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:59 PM   #128
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I can't speak for RandyO, but for myself.

I have a SV650 with 30,000 miles on it, all stock except for the pipe and seat. I am probably not a good enough rider to feel the need for upgrades to the suspension.
Maybe I don't know what I am missing, but I live in the foothills and have done 700 mile days in comfort.

Could be that I weigh 165 pounds.
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If you happy with SV650 as it, that's fine. I was really using it as an example that some mods are very worthwhile and the manufacturer doesn't always do best. They know what's best, but build a bike to a price point for the market base upon what they believe is an 'average' rider. They can be improved upon.

FYI on the suspension. If you get to a skill level of trying to stay with riders on modern sports bikes (the SV650 is more than capable engine wise) on b/c grade roads you run the real possibility of your front suspension getting you into trouble. You're motoring along fine through the twisties and all of a sudden you hit a really bad section. The riders on the modern bikes with cartridge style suspension will sail through relatively easy, but your old-fashioned damper rod suspension has a high probability of completely locking up. A lot of people think the suspension bottomed, it didn't. It suffered hydraulic lock as the fork oil couldn't be forced through a series of fixed size holes fast enough. All the shock from the bumps goes straight into the frame completely unsettling the bike. You're life will pass before your eyes.

Even for a moderate pace rider I'd recommend you consider having the front suspension modified by a suspension specialist with the correct weight springs (the stocks may be ok as your light) and fitting Race-Tech cartridge emulators. When properly adjusted even the ride over corrugated bumps will be greatly improved. But the main thing is all the added safety margin you've now got in your front suspension to deal with the unexpected. Ever facet of handling will be better, so even at the same speed you travel now, you'll have a much safer bike.

Sorry to have got of topic........

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Old 01-24-2014, 06:16 PM   #129
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Not sure what you feel I'm doing wrong.

Is being a cage free full time rider "doing it wrong"?

Is riding for adventure rather than speed "doing it wrong"?

Is there a "doing it right" manual? is there a secret handshake? does it give you minty fresh breath?

I thought riding was about enjoyment, never realized there was a rule book or check list.

Funny how wrong can feel so right.

Is not limiting myself in how and where I ride "doing it wrong"?
Being "cage free" just means you've turned a passion into a tool.

Riding on super slab is not riding for adventure. It's merely getting from point a to point b and at the end of the day taking the bus fills you with the same satisfaction.

There's no manual, no club, no greek letters to stick on your jacket. You either get it or you don't.

Riding very much IS about enjoyment. If gearing a bike so that you can drone on for hours at a time on slab and end up at point b a little less tired because your running 1K RPM's lower, then yeah, you're doing it wrong.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:25 PM   #130
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See, that's weird, because I'm pretty sure that if you have been riding for more than an hour and still think that there's a wrong way to do it, then you don't get it. Don't crash, don't show off, have fun. That's the manual.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:22 PM   #131
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Being "cage free" just means you've turned a passion into a tool.

Riding on super slab is not riding for adventure.
I'm not so sure about that. With one person on a XR650L and the other on a DR650 traveling through seven states and 1200 miles in less than 24 hours sure wasn't an every day thing.

On a Goldwing, maybe, but I was on a Redwing.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:49 PM   #132
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Hi T,
If you happy with SV650 as it, that's fine. I was really using it as an example that some mods are very worthwhile and the manufacturer doesn't always do best. They know what's best, but build a bike to a price point for the market base upon what they believe is an 'average' rider. They can be improved upon.

FYI on the suspension. If you get to a skill level of trying to stay with riders on modern sports bikes (the SV650 is more than capable engine wise) on b/c grade roads you run the real possibility of your front suspension getting you into trouble. You're motoring along fine through the twisties and all of a sudden you hit a really bad section. The riders on the modern bikes with cartridge style suspension will sail through relatively easy, but your old-fashioned damper rod suspension has a high probability of completely locking up. A lot of people think the suspension bottomed, it didn't. It suffered hydraulic lock as the fork oil couldn't be forced through a series of fixed size holes fast enough. All the shock from the bumps goes straight into the frame completely unsettling the bike. You're life will pass before your eyes.

Even for a moderate pace rider I'd recommend you consider having the front suspension modified by a suspension specialist with the correct weight springs (the stocks may be ok as your light) and fitting Race-Tech cartridge emulators. When properly adjusted even the ride over corrugated bumps will be greatly improved. But the main thing is all the added safety margin you've now got in your front suspension to deal with the unexpected. Ever facet of handling will be better, so even at the same speed you travel now, you'll have a much safer bike.

Sorry to have got of topic........





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Old 01-24-2014, 09:26 PM   #133
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There's no pleasure in droning down super slab.
Sorry for you, that you don't enjoy riding. I enjoy every ride, every day.

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I truly love riding and because of that I don't compromise.
To me the compromise to loose riding time and having to sit in an oversized cage would suck. Every time I would see or think of a motorcycle, it would inflict heartache.

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I get 1200 - 1300 miles out of a sport compound tire and usually less then 1K out of a real knobbie.
To have to change tyres mid-weekend-trip or two to three times a holiday would be a sucking compromise to me.
Having to go back to a cage instead of just riding in a nice looking direction would be an even worse compromise.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:32 AM   #134
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Well for some of us, riding isn't limited to weekend recreation or for fitting into a lifestyle, it's our preferred full time transportation, with recreation riding simply being a side benefit

I rather be "droning along a superhighway" on a bike, than drive any cage on any road.
Amen. The Slab is a good way to get from Point A to Point B quickly. Especially if Point B is an interesting backroad route somewhere.

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Sorry for you, that you don't enjoy riding. I enjoy every ride, every day.



To me the compromise to loose riding time and having to sit in an oversized cage would suck. Every time I would see or think of a motorcycle, it would inflict heartache.



To have to change tyres mid-weekend-trip or two to three times a holiday would be a sucking compromise to me.
Having to go back to a cage instead of just riding in a nice looking direction would be an even worse compromise.
I enjoy my riding very much. Enough in fact that I don't have the need to gear my bikes to the moon and make them perform.

Loose riding time? As opposed to tight riding time?

Well, riding like a little girl would be a sucking compromise to me so I live with limited tire life.

The best part of caging it is if you can sucker someone else to to the driving, that way you can sleep on the drive home. .
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