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Old 02-19-2014, 10:07 AM   #241
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There are a couple (Devils Slide Trestles) in Boulder County along the lower route around the pass. There is also a perfectly good upper road over the pass that avoids these trestles. In these pics, the Boulder side is to the left and the Winter Park side is to the right.
Awesome photos! Thanks for posting these!
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:46 AM   #242
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In case anyone is interested, the video of the meeting is now up:
http://bouldercountyco.suiteonemedia...-1&mk=-1&nov=0

Rollins Pass segment starts around 1:03.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:30 PM   #243
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In case anyone is interested, the video of the meeting is now up:
http://bouldercountyco.suiteonemedia...-1&mk=-1&nov=0

Rollins Pass segment starts around 1:03.
I have been watching, I think Grand & Gilpin did a great job of nicely calling BS to BoCo.

Sorry no applauding due to lots of opinions in the room
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:16 PM   #244
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local paper today published the dailey camera article.

I would send in a rebuttal had i been able to attend the meeting.

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Old 02-19-2014, 08:00 PM   #245
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Man BoCo sure has a severe case of cranial rectal inversion about the whole thing. To the point of making up things and down right lying about things. Good job Grand and Gilpin counties, they get it.

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Old 02-20-2014, 12:41 AM   #246
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Steve (The man!) at 2:10.

Oh my...the enviros....it's a wonder they don't start mowing down other humans with the nearest hammer and sickle.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:43 AM   #247
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What these groups that were against in the video fail to realize is that under Federal Law you can log right up to the Wilderness boundary, you can put in roads that go along the edge. Heck if you could get the USFS on board you could have a Hare Scramble next to it. The Wilderness protection stops at the boundary and nothing in the law says you can not use the land up to the boundary.

I think the for crowd did a great job calling BS to a lot of points. And the pointing out a pipeline and how if that ever broke or needed replaced they be in there and do WHATEVER it took to fix it (and damn with the Tundra).

I'm confused about the projected cost, and the somehow that if it is open at all then you have to have it open to 2WD vehicles. I think the law was implying 2WD High Clearance vehicles. I also don't even understand why snow removal was ever brought up. The Hippie duffus just made me laugh and maybe the pot clouded his reading abilities to mis-quote the law.

Has a county ever used eminent domain on another county. Obviously this road would be a great benefit to the other counties.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:09 PM   #248
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thanks for posting!

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Good article about the 2/13/2014 meeting in Boulder County:

http://www.grandgazette.net/files/83640360.pdf

on Page 9
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:33 PM   #249
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Wow, it really is a historic route! I saw an original copy of an 1873 US geological survey map today (at the Estes Park museum) and it is right there, listed as "Boulder Pass" out of Rollinsville. That is presumably what is now the BWR.
There are not many other passes listed in 1873, either. It looks like it was the major one used in its day.
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Old 02-22-2014, 01:19 AM   #250
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The question is. .. why was the wagon road closed after the agreement was signed? Open the damn gate usfs. Follow the damn law.

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Old 02-22-2014, 07:07 PM   #251
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Pretty comprehensive reporting on this one:
http://www.skyhidailynews.com/news/1...lder-road-pass
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:26 PM   #252
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Pretty comprehensive reporting on this one:
http://www.skyhidailynews.com/news/1...lder-road-pass


"Adding to much of Rollins Pass enthusiasts’ frustration is Boulder County’s ability to impede passage through such a small bottleneck. Of the roughly 25 miles that make up Rollins Pass, only about three pass through Boulder County. Grand and Gilpin counties divide up the rest. When stakeholders finally worked out provisions in the James Peak Wilderness Act so it could be adopted into law in 2002, excluding the Rollins Pass corridor from inclusion, Grand County contributed 16,000 acres to the James Peak Protection area, Gilpin County contributed 9,389 acres to the wilderness area and Clear Creek County contributed 7,469. Only 189 acres in Boulder County went to the wilderness."

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Old 02-22-2014, 08:18 PM   #253
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Oh wow :

Disappointed I was not aware of that fact before
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:20 PM   #254
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Zoom in on this map:
http://www.wilderness.net/map

I'm sure the Boulder folks just consider James Peak Wilderness an extension of Indian Peaks Wilderness.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:31 AM   #255
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"Adding to much of Rollins Pass enthusiasts’ frustration is Boulder County’s ability to impede passage through such a small bottleneck. Of the roughly 25 miles that make up Rollins Pass, only about three pass through Boulder County. Grand and Gilpin counties divide up the rest. When stakeholders finally worked out provisions in the James Peak Wilderness Act so it could be adopted into law in 2002, excluding the Rollins Pass corridor from inclusion, Grand County contributed 16,000 acres to the James Peak Protection area, Gilpin County contributed 9,389 acres to the wilderness area and Clear Creek County contributed 7,469. Only 189 acres in Boulder County went to the wilderness."

I looked at a map and am amazed at how Boulder County is acting over such a small corner of their county. The road clips the SW corner of Boulder County. The road in question loops a couple of times there, making it two or three linear miles of road that includes Needle Eye Tunnel and Devile's Slide Trestles.

Using such a small piece of real estate to control so much is a pretty shitty deal.

Gilpin should sue to take possession of that little sliver of land in Boulder County that borders their NW corner!
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