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Old 02-02-2014, 07:40 PM   #196
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I will offer a simple guideline. Wear it like it's going to make a difference and ride like it won't.
Sorry man, we do not do common sense around here!
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:10 PM   #197
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I will offer a simple guideline. Wear it like it's going to make a difference and ride like it won't.
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Hi Viz can be a tool but is nothing by itself. Just like ATGATT is nothing if you cannot ride.
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Oh, and stay away from my daughter.
I think these three posts finish this thread.
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:34 AM   #198
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I see a lot of people in this thread that think that hi viz works when walking etc. so it will work on a bike also.
80% of bike accidents happen on the front end of the bike.
The biker is most often hidden behind a light and fairing.
There is not much real evidence, as in trials etc. that it makes a difference what kind of color a biker is wearing.
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That's kind of amusing, given there's a hi-viz jacket plainly visible in your avatar, but I have to hunt to find the headlight.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:55 AM   #199
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Here's a recent study.

http://www.intrans.iastate.edu/resea...y_ii_w_cvr.pdf
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:09 PM   #200
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OMG another gumerment study

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Plz tell us what we already know in a 70+page report by people qualified based on what? Glad only Iowa tax dollars paid for this!
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:29 PM   #201
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OK, I have a Hi-Viz helmet (It's up there where it can be seen... AND where I don't have to see it). Do I think it makes me safe? Hell no. But if one potential idiot notices because of it and doesn't plow into me, I've gotten my money's worth.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:32 PM   #202
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The results of the Iowa State report to the Midwest Transportation Consortium (i.e. the recent study linked by ttpete):

6.2 Recommendations

In view of the analysis results, the following recommendations might be considered in implementing motorcycle conspicuity related campaigns and interventions:

1. The conspicuity of a motorcycle can be increased by using an appropriate rider outfit (bright) that distinguishes them from the surrounding background.

2. Using a modulating headlight on a motorcycle can increase the conspicuity of a motorcycle significantly, irrespective of the background environment.

3. Increasing the alertness and expectancy of drivers to the presence of motorcycles can increase conspicuity, as the study revealed that motorcycles were detected at greater distances in an urban environment compared to a rural environment.

4. Awareness programs targeted specifically to older drivers can be considered.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:53 PM   #203
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Plz tell us what we already know in a 70+page report by people qualified based on what? Glad only Iowa tax dollars paid for this!
Actual observation. It was an empirical study.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:19 PM   #204
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Plz tell us what we already know in a 70+page report by people qualified based on what? Glad only Iowa tax dollars paid for this!
So we have people on here (probably bored trolls but let's assume they are actually serious about their opinions) who keep saying "show me the evidence" but whenever anyone points out all the other groups of people who rely on hi viz there is always a reason why that is not applicable to motorcycles. Then when an actual study is posted, that is somehow not good enough either.

I guess when you are attached to a fallacy for whatever reason (bright colors are not "cool" e.g) you will grasp at any rational or irrational arguments to support your belief, no matter what the evidence indicates.
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:47 PM   #205
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You can rely on blinky lights and Alien Vomit Green hi-viz garb if you want to.

Me? I am going to ride in such a way that I really don't give a shit if they see me or not. I will try to help them with lateral motion.. But ultimately it is MY responsibility to avoid them NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO.

I have already had a Red light runner and a STOP sign violator THIS YEAR. It was a NON issue as I expect the other road users to be dumb-ass, twatwaffle, shit-bag drivers.

Riding is NOT a Contact Sport. Ride AWARE! Do that and it doesn't matter what color of gear you wear.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:23 PM   #206
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So we have people on here (probably bored trolls but let's assume they are actually serious about their opinions) who keep saying "show me the evidence" but whenever anyone points out all the other groups of people who rely on hi viz there is always a reason why that is not applicable to motorcycles. Then when an actual study is posted, that is somehow not good enough either.

I guess when you are attached to a fallacy for whatever reason (bright colors are not "cool" e.g) you will grasp at any rational or irrational arguments to support your belief, no matter what the evidence indicates.
No evidence necessary, as no reasonable person can deny contrasting colors may make you more visible, the problem is those who take it a step further believing that all things being equal you're safer wearing high-viz than not.
That's a dangerous fallacy that should not be perpetuated as it encourages complacency.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:42 PM   #207
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I wear a black helmet, black jacket, black pants, black boots, and black gloves, and typically ride a black or silver bike. I guess I'm lucky to be alive.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:47 PM   #208
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You can rely on blinky lights and Alien Vomit Green hi-viz garb if you want to.
Or use them and NOT rely on them.
That's what I do. In addition to riding aware.

Why present it as mutually exclusive?
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:11 AM   #209
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I wear a black helmet, black jacket, black pants, black boots, and black gloves, and typically ride a black or silver bike. I guess I'm lucky to be alive.
In the Texas sun in all black??? It's a wonder you're not cooked. ;)
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:28 AM   #210
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No evidence necessary, as no reasonable person can deny contrasting colors may make you more visible, the problem is those who take it a step further believing that all things being equal you're safer wearing high-viz than not.
All things being equal, how does being seen (sooner) not make you safer?

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That's a dangerous fallacy that should not be perpetuated as it encourages complacency.
Ah. Yeah, if you put it on like a bright yellow coat of invincibility, that's a problem. Nobody is saying to do that- except you.
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