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Old 02-10-2014, 05:21 AM   #256
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no way should hi-vis be mandatory, I wear it cause I choose to

it's a personal safety choice like a helmet
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:44 AM   #257
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Post #257- Don't know why I couldn't quote your link but that's a ridiculous reason not to wear it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:45 AM   #258
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I am a believer - Hi Viz vest - cheap and effective to alert the drivers.

I mostly drive on single lane back roads. I can see the difference in how drivers are not trying to pull out on me.

Of course it's not a crutch.... but every bit of extra safety counts, right?

Also - with blue leathers, hi-viz vest and white HJC helmet, I look like a moto traffic cop lol. . Drivers do pay attention to cops.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:05 PM   #259
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Also - with blue leathers, hi-viz vest and white HJC helmet, I look like a moto traffic cop lol. . Drivers do pay attention to cops.
People mostly slow down when there's a cop behind them. Not exactly what I want when I'm trying to create open space around me in traffic.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:31 PM   #260
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Yeah, I read the guys little blog. Let's just say it's an emotional little rant and all the worse for being rooted in philosophical objections and a very big, flawed assumption, which is that as the rider you will always be able to give yourself enough margin of safety by merely planning ahead. Sooner or later, though, you are going to have to pass across another driver's intended path, and though that driver may be stopped and though you may have the right of way, there will be a critical moment when you will have neither sufficient room for evasive action nor the ability to accelerate fast enough out of harm's way nor the ability to brake hard enough should that driver decide it is time to go (or might get you run over from behind should you try). Said driver will be so focused on gratifying his desire to go that he will mere motion alone will not catch his attention, and since you will already be traversing his line of sight (but not perception) changing your lateral position in the lane will be of no practical value. On US roads, that threat is usually greatest when the driver is to your right at the intersection as you pass through. Like it or not, the only thing that will keep you from being hit in that situation is that driver's reflexive realization that there's something in his path, so the easier it is for his lizard brain to detect a collision hazard, the better your chances of getting to ride another day.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:49 PM   #261
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Hi vis for me.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:50 PM   #262
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Hi vis for me.
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:09 PM   #263
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How about this,

Know it won't work when you need it to, accept it won't make you safer, understand being seen is no guarantee they will act appropriately..............................














......................And use it anyway?
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:41 PM   #264
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. I can see the difference in how drivers are not trying to pull out on me.
I also believe you can see the difference in how drivers react. No doubt someone will say its all in your head because you just feel more vulnerable in traffic when not wearing it after wearing it for some time. Yes I do feel more vulnerable, and I believe rightly so as I know I'm not as visible. Does anyone really need a scientific study to conclude a rider/bike comprising a large block of bright yellow or orange is more obvious than black.

But even taking account of your own head space, you can see the cars around you are more aware of your presence and keep greater distance etc.

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Old 02-10-2014, 09:01 PM   #265
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I also believe you can see the difference in how drivers react. No doubt someone will say its all in your head because you just feel more vulnerable in traffic when not wearing it after wearing it for some time. Yes I do feel more vulnerable, and I believe rightly so as I know I'm not as visible. Does anyone really need a scientific study to conclude a rider/bike comprising a large block of bright yellow or orange is more obvious than black.

But even taking account of your own head space, you can see the cars around you are more aware of your presence and keep greater distance etc.
There is no doubt cars are more aware of my presence in viz. To each his own.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:43 AM   #266
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I wonder when we'll see motorcycles with Hi Viz paint? (Besides the Kawasaki green)
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:54 AM   #267
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In my experience a bright helmet is the key -- the color of the bike is way too low or, if approaching, is only showing the fairing further obscured by a headlight. I suppose the color of the bike would be helpful for cross traffic.

Gear is great but it too is obscured by other cars.

Of course at night, SOLAS is king.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:56 PM   #268
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I wonder when we'll see motorcycles with Hi Viz paint? (Besides the Kawasaki green)
I wouldn't consider the Kawasaki green to be all that effective as its to dark, but certainly better than black. This color was available on a stack of makes a few years ago, and personally with black 'bits' I reckon is both effective and looks really smart. The Hurt report concluded bikes with farings were less like to be involved in collisions due to increased front on visibility.




Another wilder option. Perhaps not quite as effective as the above, but still miles better than IMO boring black or gray.




Even this with perhaps a more dominate white helmet is miles ahead of the highly original black, black, and black (bike, clothes, helmet)


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Old 02-11-2014, 06:22 PM   #269
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Another wilder option. Perhaps not quite as effective as the above, but still miles better than IMO boring black or gray.


blind is blind... but if one can see, this should be the ticket.

digging the R6 flames.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:51 PM   #270
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blind is blind... but if one can see, this should be the ticket.

digging the R6 flames.
You like that one? Me to. I think if the topic was how to increase your total visibility rather than "hi-viz" which a lot of people can't imaging past an industrial safety vest, then the subject would a far less polarized response.

The police here wear light blue shirts, white full face helmets, and big white Yamaha FJR1300 covered in all manner of kit. They actual stand out quite well (if not hiding).
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