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Old 01-26-2014, 12:02 PM   #106
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Hi vis gives me a headache, induces rage in others and does nothing for safety in my expereince. Sorry I would rather wear jeans and I t-shirt than that crap. So...yeah nay for hi vis
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:14 PM   #107
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One point not mentioned in the the thread is the nature of camouflage and how it works. The key to effective camo is blending into the background, but a misconception is that the colors are the most important aspect, when the real camo effect relies primarily on breaking up the outline of the person or thing you wish to hide. Reverse the principle to be seen, and you will want to present an unbroken outline. A very broken up and busy hi-vis jacket with patches of black, hi-viis green, etc will not be as effective as a solid h-vis green or possibly even a solid other less visible color like red or blue and in some cases even black. It is definitely something to factor into the equation.
Excellent point,

Large areas of a solid color are way more visible than random patterns of light and dark. I have observed that riding gear with just some high-viz sections is far less noticeable than gear that is a solid non high-viz color.

Before the days of radar, it was common for the military to use "dazzle camouflage" on large items such as ships and aircraft. The effect was achieved by using bright busy patterns to make it difficult to judge the objects distance, speed, and direction of travel.

How color is used is way more important than what color is used.

Even high-viz can be camouflage,


In some environments,


If I were to choose a color for the best contrast in the most environments I would go with a solid blue as the other high-viz colors have reached the saturation points in many places.


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Old 01-26-2014, 12:45 PM   #108
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Generally I don't think hi-viz hurts, every little thing can help to some degree. However, I would not be lulled into a false sense of security wearing it. I had a lime green & black jacket and had some close calls with it on, probably on par with my black and gray jacket.

That was an interesting point made by windmill where some hi-viz blends in with the environment.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:30 PM   #109
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What's being done here is to take hi-viz out of the context of safe riding. Hi-viz is only one part of safety on the road. By itself, it means nothing if the rider is so incompetent that he puts himself in a dangerous situation. Things like auxiliary lighting and reflective material also help, but the most important safety factor is the rider's proficiency. If a rider constantly finds himself in bad situations, he has nobody to blame but himself, and it's because he's doing it wrong. Don't blame the other guy because you gave him the opportunity to shit on you.
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:12 PM   #110
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Noticeable difference in how much space people give me when I'm wearing hi-viz versus not. Of course, it's not a panacea for protecting againist inattentive motorists - but it DEFINITELY helps, and I'll take all the help I can get.

Almost ran over a cruiser on the interstate not long ago - At night, away from street lights, riding close to the shoulder on a black bike, wearing black leathers, black helmet, nothing reflective on rider or bike. All I could see was one dim red light, low to the ground. It did not register with me until I was less than fifty feet from him. Oh yeah, he was riding at no more than 50 mph in a 60 or 70 zone. Twat did not need to be wearing flourescent green, but if he at least had something other than black it might save his life.
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Old 01-26-2014, 02:58 PM   #111
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^^Btdt

Except my situation it was a sport bike and the led tail light blended in with the lights on the tractor-trailer he was tailgating.
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Old 01-26-2014, 04:35 PM   #112
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Except my situation it was a sport bike and the led tail light blended in with the lights on the tractor-trailer he was tailgating.
...or the taillight is blacked out to be "stylish".

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Old 01-27-2014, 09:37 PM   #113
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...or the taillight is blacked out to be "stylish".

I saw some little twinkly light in the traffic ahead, no clue what it was. Got closer, could see it twinkling once in a while, still no clue. Turned out to be a bike with the little LED turn signals, about an inch outboard of the tiny LED tail light, whenever he turned the signal on it twinkled, but I never could see that it was anything like indicating a turn, even from about thirty feet away..
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:18 AM   #114
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I saw some little twinkly light in the traffic ahead, no clue what it was. Got closer, could see it twinkling once in a while, still no clue. Turned out to be a bike with the little LED turn signals, about an inch outboard of the tiny LED tail light, whenever he turned the signal on it twinkled, but I never could see that it was anything like indicating a turn, even from about thirty feet away..





I had one of those. My buddies behind me said the same as you.
Unless you have a resistor on the led tail light it will blink so fast that is doesn't do any good.
I went back to regular bulbs.
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:36 AM   #115
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I always thought the HiViz gear looked stupid & was a waste, until a riding buddy got a jacket with HiViz panels. As I rode in front of him I could not believe how he stood out in my mirrors. (His bike, pants & helmet are black.)

I then bought a HiViz helmet & do not care how stupid I look, as long as those who see me while making the comments, actually see me!

If only one driver sees me & does not cut me off or pull out in front of me, I think it is worth it.
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:45 AM   #116
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I say it can't hurt but seeing as the idiots pull in front of dump trucks daily your safety is still in your hands only.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:20 AM   #117
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I say it can't hurt but seeing as the idiots pull in front of dump trucks daily your safety is still in your hands only.
Yes, high-vis can complement good roadcraft, but......











.......It may not when you need it most.

You should never let high-viz make a difference.
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Old 01-28-2014, 10:12 AM   #118
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I have had people pull right in front of me when I was wearing a hi-viz helmet and also had Motolights on the bike. It doesn't hurt to wear hi-viz but I wouldn't depend on it. It might be useful if you go down without anybody seeing the actual accident. If you are laying in the median or in the weeds or woods, someone might notice and be curious enough to stop. Or if you are laying in the road, I'm sure you will be easier to avoid if the driver can actually see you.

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Old 01-28-2014, 10:59 AM   #119
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I have had people pull right in front of me when I was wearing a hi-viz helmet and also had Motolights on the bike. It doesn't hurt to wear hi-viz but I wouldn't depend on it. It might be useful if you go down without anybody seeing the actual accident. If you are laying in the median or in the weeds or woods, someone might notice and be curious enough to stop.
So, you're doomed no matter what you do. If I had an attitude like that, I'd quit riding.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:17 PM   #120
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So, you're doomed no matter what you do. If I had an attitude like that, I'd quit riding.
I don't have a defeatist attitude. I was just stating the facts as they pertained to my near-hits. I don't use my hi-viz helmet anymore because it turned out to be an inferior helmet in other aspects. I now wear a white, top of the line Shoei.
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