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Old 02-20-2014, 04:15 PM   #286
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The rider chooses NOT to make it, by actual choice, or by brain fart, or by panic/freeze mode on the grips.
Or they just don't know how, and never did.

Jump to the :29 second point and look at the stress in this guy's arms. He's trying to muscle the bike around the turn at the same time he's holding his body up away from the pavement. Lots of things here that he's doing wrong, including trying to corner fast on a bike with very limited cornering angles. Leaning into the turn/modified hang-off, counter steer, know your bike...how many more?

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Old 02-20-2014, 04:37 PM   #287
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Or they just don't know how, and never did.

Jump to the :29 second point and look at the stress in this guy's arms. He's trying to muscle the bike around the turn at the same time he's holding his body up away from the pavement. Lots of things here that he's doing wrong, including trying to corner fast on a bike with very limited cornering angles. Leaning into the turn/modified hang-off, counter steer, know your bike...how many more?

His problem was clearance. You can hear hardware hitting ground before the crash. He was doomed by the speed - hanging off would have been his salvation. That's why those guys ride so slowing on these cruisers. They can't really turn.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:27 PM   #288
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Kind of hard to hang off with your legs spread that way, and the handlebars don't help.



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His problem was clearance. You can hear hardware hitting ground before the crash. He was doomed by the speed - hanging off would have been his salvation. That's why those guys ride so slowing on these cruisers. They can't really turn.
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Old 02-20-2014, 06:36 PM   #289
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Kind of hard to hang off with your legs spread that way, and the handlebars don't help.
Still, leaning the upper body inwards instead of outwards makes a huge difference, as does trail braking. Even a big turd like that can brake fairly hard, as it sure as Hell isn't leaning much.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:06 PM   #290
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His problem was clearance. You can hear hardware hitting ground before the crash. He was doomed by the speed - hanging off would have been his salvation.

If he had push himself down instead of the bike he would have been fine.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:08 PM   #291
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If he had push himself down instead of the bike he would have been fine.
I think the way he ended up walking off as if nothing had happened was priceless.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:02 PM   #292
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Or they just don't know how, and never did.

Jump to the :29 second point and look at the stress in this guy's arms. He's trying to muscle the bike around the turn at the same time he's holding his body up away from the pavement. Lots of things here that he's doing wrong, including trying to corner fast on a bike with very limited cornering angles. Leaning into the turn/modified hang-off, counter steer, know your bike...how many more?

He was lucky he was on the outside 'lane' so he was forced of the shoulder of the road. Had he been going the other way he'd have been forced onto the wrong side of the road and potentially into oncoming traffic. This is what is wrong with the advice to "just lean the bike more", especially if the road has a steep camber. Take note at 15 second mark of the video how his foot catchs the road and gets ripped backward. This alone is enough to unbalance someone and make them run wide. When the hard parts start dragging you can be in very serious trouble. Ride with the balls of your feet on the pegs, and keep the bike as upright as possible in a turn.

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Old 02-20-2014, 10:06 PM   #293
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He was lucky he was on the outside 'lane' so he was forced of the shoulder of the road. Had he been going the other way he'd have been forced onto the wrong side of the road and potentially into oncoming traffic. This is what is wrong with the advice to "just lean the bike more", especially if the road has a steep camber. When the hard parts start dragging you can be in very serious trouble, the goal should be to keep the bike as upright as possible in a turn.
Or you could just ride off the cliff for the video. WTF?
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:34 PM   #294
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Or you could just ride off the cliff for the video. WTF?
Is it the use of the term "upright as possible" which means the same as "remove as much lean angle from the bike" that your WTFing about.....
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:39 PM   #295
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Is it the use of the term "upright as possible" which means the same as "remove as much lean angle from the bike" that your WTFing about.....
I'd rather get down and go around the corner myself.
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Old 02-21-2014, 02:50 AM   #296
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And if you think it can only happen to cruisers and not sports bikes....... yea son just lean harder


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Old 02-21-2014, 03:34 AM   #297
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Kind of hard to hang off with your legs spread that way, and the handlebars don't help.
The seating position doesn't help either. But, C.O.W. makes a huge difference on these bikes, probably because the bikes center of gravity is so low. It's awkward feeling, but the results are dramatic.
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:38 AM   #298
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Here's some footage of mostly good riders taking the same corner with correct body position.


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Old 02-21-2014, 05:33 AM   #299
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:31 AM   #300
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And if you think it can only happen to cruisers and not sports bikes....... yea son just lean harder

Exactly what I've been saying, a little better upper body position goes a long way when it comes to making it around a corner. Athough in this example, the rider touched the feeler on the folding peg, immediately freaked out and reduced his angle, the peg stayed six inches off the ground all the way to where he went off the road. He also came off the seat and back down on it even further to the right, the scraping peg really scared him.

He wasn't in trouble at all until he reduced the bike's angle. Scraping a folding peg does nothing detrimental to the bike. It just scared him.

Keep it leaning, hang off to the side, but valuable skills to have if you need them.
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