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Old 01-30-2014, 05:47 PM   #1
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Diesel Scooter by Hero

The front needs to be restyled, but I like the rest of it.
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2014/01/2...iesel-concept/
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:54 PM   #2
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I will take the turbo version, where do I sign up?
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:13 PM   #3
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2wd hybrid; go ahead and cross three bridges at once.
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The engine also acts as a generator, with Hero claiming it can provide about 1500 W of continuous electric power or 6.5 A at 230V.

The optional electric hub-mounted motor produces 1.3 hp, but it works independently from the rear and is operated by a secondary throttle control. Both the electric motor and turbocharger will be optional.
Some of you morans might remember when I put together a Stupid Electric Bicycle. Shortly after that was a gas motor rwd bike. I crashed pretty hard on the electric one before I could get the electric front on the gasser and have a 2wd hybrid.

I'd love to see just the diesel part come off right.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:32 PM   #4
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WHAT THE __?
I noticed a lack of info about the type of transmission method for driving the rear wheel, top speed or whether it would be
road legal. (though mirrors and turn signals certainly would suggest that it would be)

From the motorcycle.com article : "The engine also acts as a generator, with Hero claiming it can provide about 1500 W
of continuous electric power or 6.5 A at 230V. Hero says the RNT also has mounting points for ploughs and harvesters."

It's a freekin 2 wheeled farm implement!!! (What!!!? No mowing deck?)

So maybe CaseyJones wasn't so crazy after all to suggest tractor tires on a scooter.
Who'd a thunk it?

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Old 01-30-2014, 06:54 PM   #5
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"I noticed a lack of info about the type of transmission method..."
Good point. No photo of that side. The swing arm makes it look
like it is not a conventional 150cc cvt drive train.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:05 PM   #6
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When I googled it, one site said it was mated to a six-speed transmission.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:25 PM   #7
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"I noticed a lack of info about the type of transmission method..."
Good point. No photo of that side. The swing arm makes it look
like it is not a conventional 150cc cvt drive train.
That, and this added info from the site:
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According to Hero, the liquid-cooled TDI engine produces just 13.5 hp at 4000 rpm, but it’s the torque numbers that really shine, claiming 25.8 ft-lb. at just 1600 rpm.
Those rpm numbers are only about half of what conventional gasoline powered scoots employ with their CVT drives. The relatively low rpm diesel engine would need to use a quite unconventional CVT drive or more likely an auto clutched multi-ratio transmission with chain or shaft drive.

2 wheel drive? Makes me think of the Rokon, but that is more of an ATV and not fast enough to be practical for legal road use. Seems like there was another 2 wheel drive motorcycle that had a unique way to power the front wheel, flexible shaft drive to the front wheel or maybe it was hydraulically driven. But I don't remember where it was that I saw it or what it was called.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:52 PM   #8
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Since its a diesel does that mean that the best oil for it is rotella? Grin
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:05 PM   #9
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:11 PM   #10
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Seems like there was another 2 wheel drive motorcycle that had a unique way to power the front wheel, flexible shaft drive to the front wheel or maybe it was hydraulically driven. But I don't remember where it was that I saw it or what it was called.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:20 PM   #11
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Well, here is an article from a little over 10 years ago.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/2351/

It was the R1 that I was thinking about.
Makes me wonder though.... Don't seem to hear too much of very many 2 wheel drive or all wheel drive bikes these days.
Loose its appeal/not enough interest to continue manufacturing? Seems like a sound and proven concept. According to
the article, Yamaha had even mentioned the possibility of applying the drive system to the T-Max scooter..... wonder why
it was not done.

An AWD diesel scooter that can maintain highway speeds should be just about ideal... Enhanced traction and very fuel
efficient... can't go wrong with that.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:32 PM   #12
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i wanted it when I read "diesel" rest was unimportant
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:33 PM   #13
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That, and this added info from the site:


Those rpm numbers are only about half of what conventional gasoline powered scoots employ with their CVT drives. The relatively low rpm diesel engine would need to use a quite unconventional CVT drive or more likely an auto clutched multi-ratio transmission with chain or shaft drive.

2 wheel drive? Makes me think of the Rokon, but that is more of an ATV and not fast enough to be practical for legal road use. Seems like there was another 2 wheel drive motorcycle that had a unique way to power the front wheel, flexible shaft drive to the front wheel or maybe it was hydraulically driven. But I don't remember where it was that I saw it or what it was called.
If you look at most passenger car turbo diesel applications they have close to 90% max torque just off of idle(below 2000rpm) but still rev to 5 or 6000rpm.

This being a smaller lighter engine should still produce 4 to 5000rpm. Just a matter of ramp angles in the variator and appropriate weights. The rest is rear end gearing for desired speed range.
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:03 PM   #14
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Cue the...

"price too high/technology too new" discussion.

Should be along any minute.....
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:18 PM   #15
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2wd hybrid; go ahead and cross three bridges at once.

Some of you morans might remember when I put together a Stupid Electric Bicycle. Shortly after that was a gas motor rwd bike. I crashed pretty hard on the electric one before I could get the electric front on the gasser and have a 2wd hybrid.

I'd love to see just the diesel part come off right.
I ll have you Now I m not a Moran but the last Girl I date did say I had AIDS : Asshole in denial sindrum . Great company and great bikes. If it makes it out the door as a real scooter instead of prototype it would be a hit in india etc. You get electrical gen were you may never ever had Electoral before . Transport etc.
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