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Old 02-07-2014, 08:34 AM   #16
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How about having people take actual real driving lessons?! you know, like actually teach them driving...

sometimes you guys over the pond have things completely backwards
It's planned in Europe as well.
And a lot of other incredibly stupid things as well.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:06 AM   #17
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I'm actually OK with it, on its face, for car/truck traffic. It would be nice to take the cagers who are already barely paying attention to driving out of the equation entirely. Improving the predictability of the traffic around me is a good thing. That said, I sure as hell don't want it on my motos, and I would definitely want the ability to turn it off if I felt like taking control. And I know there's a huge potential for abuse of the system, which could conceivably far outweigh the usefulness of implementing it.

All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:31 AM   #18
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"All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me. "

I don't know about this. When I first heard this story on the news the other night my first thought was "Oh great, a device that will allow people to pay even less attention to what's going on around them!" I'm with the folks who posted previously - we need drivers to pay MORE attention and develop better skills, not make it even easier for them to ignore what's going on around them until it's too late.

I had a conversation with a 21 y.o. friend of the family recently who was complaining that she needed ADHD drugs because she just couldn't keep up with her school work and all the other demands on her attention. My suggestion was to put down the cell phone, log off FaceBook and Twitter, turn off the music, turn off the TV, quit smoking dope and drinking every day, quit trying to study in the middle of a party, etc. and see if that helps before you turn to some unnecessary drug. It's just bad habits, or more precisely a lack of good habits, that are the problem here. She looked at me like I was a total idiot - why do something that's demanding and difficult if I can just pop a pill and magically be a model student??

Same story with hands-free parallel parking assist and other things that allow people to never learn any skills or pay any attention. I fail to see how these things will lead to anything but chaos, especially since some vehicles will have it and a lot won't.

I even hate the fact that my car locks it's fooking doors when I shift it into Drive... If I want the damned doors locked, I'll hit the damned button myself!

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Old 02-07-2014, 11:52 AM   #19
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Everything's hackable. Sooner or later, someone will find out how to get into any ECU and change or turn on/off just about any function. The one in my Ducati has been reflashed to turn off the closed loop/O2 sensor function and the fuel and spark maps have been altered for pure performance.

The ECU in my truck sits out in the engine compartment, and I can remove it in a few minutes if necessary, which is something I might do if I thought someone was going to prowl through it. It doesn't have a GPS function, though.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:21 PM   #20
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I've used a two way radio which is hooked into my autocom and chatted with my kids on another radio in a nearby vehicle..

It was fun.
Shouldn't you be driving instead of having a conversation for fun ?
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:28 AM   #21
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"All that said, it sure would make my morning commute a lot better (assuming no nefarious interference from Big Brother or other criminals...), whether I'm in the car, drinking a coffee and reading the news, or on the bike, enjoying the orderly and predictable flow of traffic around me. "

I don't know about this. When I first heard this story on the news the other night my first thought was "Oh great, a device that will allow people to pay even less attention to what's going on around them!" I'm with the folks who posted previously - we need drivers to pay MORE attention and develop better skills, not make it even easier for them to ignore what's going on around them until it's too late.
Well, yeah, if we could get everyone (or almost everyone) to put down their phones/quit applying makeup/stop fiddling with the radio and pay attention to their driving, that would be great. I'd rather have that than some automated system that has a lot of potential for serious abuse. I was just saying that if an automatic driver system were put in place, and it worked properly, that would most likely result in a vast improvement over the current quality and safety of traffic on the roads in general. I certainly have my doubts that any such system would be implemented responsibly and effectively, though.

A somewhat unrelated point: with all this talk about wanting to get commuters to work in a mode of transportation that doesn't require their attention or input - don't we already have that, in the form of public transportation? The guy on the train doesn't have to watch the rails. The lady on the bus can safely text all the way to work. Why not expand on the systems we already have - the ones that don't expose us to huge privacy and security risks?
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:45 PM   #22
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A somewhat unrelated point: with all this talk about wanting to get commuters to work in a mode of transportation that doesn't require their attention or input - don't we already have that, in the form of public transportation? The guy on the train doesn't have to watch the rails. The lady on the bus can safely text all the way to work. Why not expand on the systems we already have - the ones that don't expose us to huge privacy and security risks?

The problem with public transportation is, it does not go where you need to go, when you need to go, there is no freedom like having your own wheels.

If you work at the right employer, with the right hours, and you buy or rent a house/condo/Apt near the rail line great! Doesn't work for most people though, including me and I am not willing to live in a crowded city to make it work.

What if something comes up and you need to leave early? The kids get sick? Transit workers go on strike? I could go on and on!
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:39 PM   #23
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Public transit has a few challenges. To be effective there needs be a decent density of population that wants to travel in similar directions. It is usually slower than other transport, by way of making more stops or by not as direct paths. In most of the US, the density isn't there which makes it expensive to run public transport frequent enough to be convenient. Millenials(SP?) And some others that I talk to would be glad to have self driving cars or some other way to give up driving in favor of being able to use their computers and smart phones.

I'm not sure why they don't feel the freedom felt by being able to drive/ride that has been present in the US for the last 100 years. I trace that feeling of freedom back to being a kid and exploring each new street in my neighborhood. Unfortunately I wonder if the generation of people raised by helicopter mothers who couldn't ride past the end of the block have been robbed of that formative experience and don't feel the freedom that comes with the ability to bike, ride or drive past the edge of our own mental maps.
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:24 PM   #24
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You know, before world war two, public transportation was very common. After world war two, the United States built the interstate system and pulled up the trolley lines that covered most city streets of the time. Now we pay the price. City sprawl, pollution, long commutes. But we did sale a lot of cars.

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