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Old 02-22-2014, 12:11 AM   #316
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Anyone approaching you to take your wallet will also likely take your cell phone as well. This is a known behavior. Last year I started carrying a cheap phone to bring out with my drop wallet. It's charged and has a SIM card but no plan so no calls can be made on it. Also serves as a real back up to my iPhone in case it decides to go TU.

And I no longer carry expired credit cards in my drop wallet as this might provoke an express kidnapping to go ATM hopping. Just some pesos, some USD and an expired driver's license. A lizard tail, more or less.
Good info on the phone but the drivers license is a horrible Idea, your Name and birthdate are the start for Identity theft.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:41 AM   #317
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Code word is a word known only to you and trusted parties on the other end.
If trusted parties on the other end are contacted by someone who has supposedly kidnapped you, they ask the kidnappers for the code word. If kidnappers provide the correct word it is quick proof of life in a bonafide situation and negotiations can begin. If not, trusted parties will simply hang up.
Remember, the virtual and express and bogus kidnappers can be very, very convincing on the phone. They often have someone whimpering in the background, you wouldnt beleive the sht they'll try to pull off. They make a good living preying on people's vulnerabilities.
If you are kidnapped, the first thing they look for is your cell phone.
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:31 AM   #318
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You guys make it sound like you are on a secret mission and preparing to enter a war zone .

Where does all this kidnapping paranoia come from?? What is it based on ??
Some faked disappearances , one suspicious kidnapping with an immediately following book release , now one rider with a strange travel history missing?
He had dangerous experiences on his prior trips, he had a gun put in his mouth on one of his prior trips,he hoped to start a new career as an adventure rider after this trip,he had a military escort when we locals all know that this is not military MO,....

Let's get back to reality , in Mexico, in Latin America as in the rest of the world , there are areas where you better stay away from .
If you want to eliminate the chance that you might loose your wallet,camera,cell phone, then your trip will turn into one paranoia nightmare.

Your most valuable possession on the trip is your bike , and the possibility that your bike will get stolen is much less in Latin America then in Europe . Why ? Because there is no market for it !

As far as kidnapping : Yes , kidnapping is a growing industry down here. But it is a business , it is a very well calculated,planned and executed business. The target is not chosen by chance , they know who they want, they have studied the victim, they have run a background check , they have inside information . Why? Because they want a fast, smooth and rewarding operation.
They don't want to take a tourist by chance, they do not even know if he is worth any money.They know a kidnapped tourist will get a lot of press.

And if they really want you, they get you !!! I had friends kidnapped , and they had several armed bodyguards with them . Most of the kidnapping victims are power and resourceful locals , they all know they are a potential target , they are prepared and they still can't avoid it .

Most of the several hundred riders I have met , hosted or helped out over the last few decades, they make all the same mistakes :
-They sometimes travel after dark
-They go out and get drunk with people they don't know
-They don't speak the language
-They don't pay attention to the advice of the locals, they trust much more their travel guides and the internet


Bottom line : Kidnapping is a big issue for locals, not for tourists . Loosing your wallet or cell phone is a remote possibility , here and everywhere in the world.

Everybody knows about the very few accidents , but compared to the thousands of uneventful rides it is not so bad at all . There is just no way to eliminate all the risks if you travel around the world on a bike , but neither if you just go on the subway from your home to your job .

Shit happens, but life is still good !!!
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:02 AM   #319
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I've read the whole 22 pages of this thread and thought about staying out of it. I certainly do not want my opinion here to be turned into a vicious attack. The OP wanted to raise awareness of Harry gone missing and the thread turned -I'm sure with the best intentions- into this battle of advice where everybody knows a better way to be a survivor.

To me it is sad that some of the more traveled guys have learned little of the culture and idiosyncrasies of the places where they have traveled but they are demigods on this forum. It is also sad how common sense is not common at all.

If all of us turned the energy and effort to take to facebook and twitter, befriend someone from the area and make the search for him go viral, we would have better odds at helping find him.

I hope that whatever the outcome, his family can have closure. Having come of age in Medellin in the late 80's and early 90's has taught me the uncertainty is worse than death. I lift my prayers for a positive outcome
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:30 AM   #320
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I've read the whole 22 pages of this thread and thought about staying out of it. I certainly do not want my opinion here to be turned into a vicious attack. The OP wanted to raise awareness of Harry gone missing and the thread turned -I'm sure with the best intentions- into this battle of advice where everybody knows a better way to be a survivor.

To me it is sad that some of the more traveled guys have learned little of the culture and idiosyncrasies of the places where they have traveled but they are demigods on this forum. It is also sad how common sense is not common at all.

If all of us turned the energy and effort to take to facebook and twitter, befriend someone from the area and make the search for him go viral, we would have better odds at helping find him.

I hope that whatever the outcome, his family can have closure. Having come of age in Medellin in the late 80's and early 90's has taught me the uncertainty is worse than death. I lift my prayers for a positive outcome
The original poster spoke of his intentions for this thread numerous times. However, this site is an Adventure Rider forum and in my opinion it only makes sense that the discussion morphs into a general discussion of safety.

This is not the command center for information to help find Harry. That site is his families FB page. I believe everyone has sincerely expressed their best wishes for Harry's family. IMO, You can only say "prayers and wishes" so many times before it becomes nothing more than a phoney endeavor.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:36 AM   #321
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Code word:

Let's say you keep about $1000 available on your main credit card, and $200 on your little one. You have someone at home who moves money into both accounts for you. You call them regularly and you discuss your trip.

Your code word is to alert them that THIS call is under duress. You say "The trip is going Great! And today I saw a Tractor. A Big Green Tractor. But this area is much more expensive, so could you move an extra $59,990 from my Nigerian account into my credit card?"

Your safe word could be Tractor or Nigerian. Get it?
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:00 AM   #322
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Good info on the phone but the drivers license is a horrible Idea, your Name and birthdate are the start for Identity theft.
Not if you remove the id # and your DOB. That is what I did with mine for the dropping wallet. And before you leave your home, you should call all credit agencies to secure your ID. They can freeze your credit then bank will deny any credit application if attempt was made by anyone other than yourself.
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:20 AM   #323
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Deleted by order of Glen's publisher. See his post here.

Really appreciate the change of tone on the thread. You have so much to
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Deleted?! It was the best, most-popular Ride Report on Advrider.

I have both of the books. Two Wheels Through Terror was a great read. The other one is also good, but to be honest, I'm too jealous to read it (Sorry, Glen).
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:23 AM   #324
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The only forums on Advrider.com where the OP has any say is in Ride Reports and the Flea Market. Everywhere else anybody can talk about anything. It's kind of like Fight Club, only in Reverse.

If you stifle conversation, nobody will ever come up with anything new.
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:47 AM   #325
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Most of the several hundred riders I have met , hosted or helped out over the last few decades, they make all the same mistakes :
-They sometimes travel after dark
-They go out and get drunk with people they don't know
-They don't speak the language
-They don't pay attention to the advice of the locals, they trust much more their travel guides and the internet


Bottom line : Kidnapping is a big issue for locals, not for tourists . Loosing your wallet or cell phone is a remote possibility , here and everywhere in the world.

Shit happens, but life is still good !!!


Thank you for this reality check.
I'm retired now and do want to get atleast as far as Panama...Soon.

Downs has had no issue in his travels and has free camped discretely w/o problems.
He took sound advice and did not enter Venezuela even though he wanted to head that way.

I hope Harry is found or just turns up.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:24 AM   #326
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-They don't pay attention to the advice of the locals, they trust much more their travel guides and the internet
+1,000

No matter how many times you say that, some people just can't get it into their heads that some of us know what we are talking about.

Glad I ride with you and not them.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:28 AM   #327
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The only forums on Advrider.com where the OP has any say is in Ride Reports and the Flea Market. Everywhere else anybody can talk about anything. It's kind of like Fight Club, only in Reverse.

If you stifle conversation, nobody will ever come up with anything new.
It's about presentation and integrity. Yours isn't so great. Cursing rarely gets ones point across, it's so high school. I can hang out in front of a 7 Eleven and hear that crap.

Fight Club? Ya right.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:38 AM   #328
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Bananaman, they've got us beat! They've played the "Miss Manners" card. Damn.

Can you imagine this crew in a cantina?
A la chingada con modales ja,ja,ja!

Look forward to seeing you when you come through next.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:38 AM   #329
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Most of the several hundred riders I have met , hosted or helped out over the last few decades, they make all the same mistakes :
-They sometimes travel after dark
-They go out and get drunk with people they don't know
-They don't speak the language
-They don't pay attention to the advice of the locals, they trust much more their travel guides and the internet




Shit happens, but life is still good !!!
I don't think I would say that not speaking the language is a mistake. I am not going to learn the language of all the places in the world I want to see, it's just not realistic.

Paying attention to locals is a much trickier question. People's nature is to say that the people in the next town/valley/country are the bad ones. My Spanish teacher in San Pedro la Laguna told me not to go to Nebaj because it was "muy maya", and she is Tzu'tujil. Highland Guatemalans talk about El Peten like Americans talk about Alaska or something. It is way out there and not much law and order. Now, if they say don't take this road because there are bandits, that is different. Somewhere in the middle, you have to decide whether to take the advice or not.

But yes, shit happens and life is good.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:41 AM   #330
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Responsibilities

Adding to the mix here, I have followed the thread through and posted once from anger.

As current RTW travellers been on the road now for 23 months and ridden through every "dangerous and we are going to die countries" as being discussed here I will add this.

We have had a bloody good look around, more than some less than others, we are wise enough with our world travels (not just this trip) but we do not know everything and do not profess to.

We were in Colombia when the riots were on causing us to change plans, we also came across military firmly advising us not to go further.

My post is quite simple, while I feel for Harry and his family I feel Harry has stepped over than line of "owning ones own responsibilities" by going into a seemingly known hotspot where risks are considerably higher and he is making his family pay for this.

There becomes a fine line between adventure and being not that clever about wanting to live.

Throughout this thread the point of "owning ones own responsibilities" has been shoved to the back somewhat, don't get me wrong as we ALL take risks sometimes (note Guateriders post), some pay off some don't, we have been there ourselves.

I hope Harry is alive and well but I can't help but think time is going against him.

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