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Old 02-23-2014, 07:55 AM   #361
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Pretty nice area. Too bad it is a bit hot for me to ride now. Not too mention that Michoacan and Guerrero are really inconveniently positioned for what my original ride plan was. I realize that I could stay on the main roads and probably ride through no problem. I also realize that statistically I could ride the back roads and the odds are still in my favor.

But my risk assessment tells me I will avoid the area entirely. I am one of the ignorant Gringo's that other Gringos have been bashing on in this thread and I know it.

I certainly hope that Harry Devert is alright. I know he may have been riding in a hot area. And I am a realist about people and the world in general. Yet I still lament that there are places in this world, regardless of geographic locale, that so much caution must be used by a simple traveller.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:18 AM   #362
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We call Michoacan 'el Alma de Mexico', the soul of Mexico, a very special place.

If you stay in the major tourist cities North of Uruapan then you are fairly safe. A gringo off road solo, you are not safe.

I still travel there monthly but I would not recommend it for a tourist.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:25 AM   #363
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We call Michoacan 'el Alma de Mexico', the soul of Mexico, a very special place.

If you stay in the major tourist cities North of Uruapan then you are fairly safe. A gringo off road solo, you are not safe.

I still travel there monthly but I would not recommend it for a tourist.
I will be alone for a good portion of my trip after I leave a partner. My original plan was to work my way below Mexico city, head west to the coast and circle back around down the coast/ a bit inland. Now I know that will put me right in the heart of to areas that are best to avoid.

Now it looks like I will go down to the coast below Oaxaca and make my way out the Yucatan before crossing into Belize. Oh' well the wind blows, and I follow.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:36 AM   #364
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You could take the Cuota 15 across Michoacan East to West or Old 15, the Mil Cumbres road. Mil Cumbres is a great road between Ciudad Hidalgo and Morelia. Just stay out of the tierra caliente South of Uruapan and don't go off road.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:50 AM   #365
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Here are some photos I took a few years back on some off road trips in the area where Harry may have disappeared, South of Mil Cumbres and West of Zitaucuaro, Michoacan. I don't claim to be Ansel Adams, as a matter of fact I seldom take photos,
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Nice pics amigo. Thanks for the breath of fresh air.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:58 AM   #366
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IMO if they haven't already done so, the family should contact a professional security firm that deals in kidnap situations in Latin America. These consultants will know who to contact and who not to contact. They will prepare the family for any ransom phone calls they may receive and how to deal with the transaction of getting Harry back if they do get a call. They do this every day and will give the family a realistic professional opinion of what to expect. Which is worth a lot more than all the amateur speculation in the world. If someone close to the family wants to PM me I will send a recommendation to a firm out of Miami that I have used in the past.

Granted, we don't know what the situation is and may never. But a lot of times drawing public attention to the situation is actually counterproductive. In Mexico (anywhere in the world) kidnappings are generally kept quiet for a lot of different reasons.

Good luck Harry!
This is the best post on this thread--the rest is just useless speculation and scolding by self-appointed chatroom "wise-men."
Evaluate posters by deciding if their words are positive or negative.
We all hope our brother rider is found safe. But one thing is very likely, when we eventually find out what happened, none of it will make sense.
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Old 02-23-2014, 10:30 AM   #367
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:10 PM   #368
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This is the best post on this thread--the rest is just useless speculation and scolding by self-appointed chatroom "wise-men."
Evaluate posters by deciding if their words are positive or negative.
We all hope our brother rider is found safe. But one thing is very likely, when we eventually find out what happened, none of it will make sense.
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SR is a class act. Always has good advice delivered in a respectful and good humoured manner whether in a post or PM.
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Old 02-23-2014, 12:19 PM   #369
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It would be nice if this thread could exist without all the drama. A few of you seem intent on ruining it for the rest. Let me be very clear, I don't care how much "experience" you have riding or living in Mexico, if you're not going to be respectful to other members you'll be getting a vacation. No more warnings.
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Old 02-23-2014, 05:35 PM   #370
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I really hope every works out for Harry and his family.
And yes we all do what we need to do to bring our love ones home.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...31e_story.html

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:19 AM   #371
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Presumably we are all linked by a common passion--adventure motorcycling. And sharing information that helps each other is one of the greatest things about advrider. Respectful rational debate that opens our minds is a significant benefit to participating in a forum with like-minded FFs.

But be suspicious of those who roam from website to website, and thread to thread, writing lengthy arguments laced with imaginary credentials and demanding that everyone listen to them or they are idiots. Insisting that we all consult them as the only experts, they like to insult those who disagree or challenge their "infinite wisdom."

It's not necessary to call names or belittle others just because their opinion differs. If I have offended anyone, please accept my apology. Let's all remain positive and hope for the best.
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Old 02-24-2014, 11:26 AM   #372
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Okay, I've tried doing this the nice way and some of you insist on being problematic so from here on out I'll be handing out vacations, and they won't be short, no more warnings. If you have something constructive to add feel free to share, if you're here to demean others and be disruptive you'll be gone, that's a promise.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:08 PM   #373
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Hopefully this ends well for Harry & his family. Thoughts and prayers.

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Old 02-24-2014, 08:15 PM   #374
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The silence is deafening; prayers for the missing rider.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:57 PM   #375
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Yip............sure hope Harry is all right.
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