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Old 02-08-2014, 07:54 AM   #31
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Suddenly things like flat tires and mechanical trouble, border crossings and shipping... just don't matter.
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:22 AM   #32
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got me wondering this morning about adding a hidden gps tracker (not spot) to my bike for the trip that keeps getting postponed. yeah, it's a bit paranoid and won't stop anyone from doing anything to me, but at least folks will be able to find me, or the bike anyway.

pray it's just a money thing and he is released sooner rather than later.
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Old 02-08-2014, 10:30 AM   #33
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Wow, that interview was hard to watch. I'm remaining hopeful this guys shows up.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:26 AM   #34
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Old 02-08-2014, 01:50 PM   #35
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The kidnapping part is factual.
However, it won't be Zetas in that part of Mexico.
It also is definitely not the case that kidnappings are neccesarily cartel related, ther are dozens of independent groups that carry out daily kidnappings in Mexico.
It seems to me that the demise of La Familia and rise of Caballeros Templarios has resulted in an increase of general lawlessness in some remote areas of Michoacan. It would surprise me somewhat to learn that Los Templarios had kidnapped an American. But with increased instability who can say.

Keep praying for Harry.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:34 PM   #36
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Harry Devert

American adventurer missing in Mexico

the title caught my eye.
Sure enough, he is on a motorcycle.

I just saw this on CNN.COM and thought I should post this up here. I thought he would be a member here or at least someone on the road has passed him or heard about him on their own travels and can help locate him.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:22 PM   #37
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Saw the same story on CNN. Thought much the same. Found this: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...t=Harry+Devert Hope for some good news about Harry soon.
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:46 PM   #38
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Now on CNN:

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Old 02-09-2014, 11:11 AM   #39
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Old 02-09-2014, 12:07 PM   #40
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Came across the story last night on CNN.
Hoping for the best.
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Old 02-09-2014, 12:17 PM   #41
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Well this just sucks. He doesn't even look all that out of place down there. With his complexion and hair color he could pass as a local.

I think current guys planning a Ushuaia trip need to start beefing up their security:

1. Start your trip from Argentina and buy a bike from a traveler who is completing his trip. Horizonsunlimited.com has a for sale section with very cheap used foreigner bikes in Argentina. The paperwork in crossing borders is easy. You just need a power of attorney or photoshop.

2. SPOT Trackers need to be mandatory. If Harry had one, it would be much easier to find him right now.

3. Dress down while you are on the road. Your clothing and motorcycle broadcast your net worth. Buy an old faded Aerostich Jacket on ebay and if you have a fancy bike than duck tape if before you leave including the BMW emblems.

4. Stick to the tollways in Mexico and skip any sightseeing. The danger is too unpredictable right now and there are much safer and more affordable countries along the way to spend money/time.

5. Screw Central America, there is way too much corruption at the borders and 95% of Westerners who have done the trip would not do it again because of the borders. Not to mention that the Panama Canal is a Pain the Ass money pit to with a motorcycle. South America is way easier to travel. If you can get past the idea of 'riding your own bike" or trying "to bring your own bike back to the US," than you will realize that there was no advantage in the first place of riding your bike from home.

I hope Harry turns up in good shape.
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Old 02-09-2014, 12:42 PM   #42
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I pray for his safety.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:05 PM   #43
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Well this just sucks. He doesn't even look all that out of place down there. With his complexion and hair color he could pass as a local.

I think current guys planning a Ushuaia trip need to start beefing up their security:

1. Start your trip from Argentina and buy a bike from a traveler who is completing his trip. Horizonsunlimited.com has a for sale section with very cheap used foreigner bikes in Argentina. The paperwork in crossing borders is easy. You just need a power of attorney or photoshop.

2. SPOT Trackers need to be mandatory. If Harry had one, it would be much easier to find him right now.

3. Dress down while you are on the road. Your clothing and motorcycle broadcast your net worth. Buy an old faded Aerostich Jacket on ebay and if you have a fancy bike than duck tape if before you leave including the BMW emblems.

4. Stick to the tollways in Mexico and skip any sightseeing. The danger is too unpredictable right now and there are much safer and more affordable countries along the way to spend money/time.

5. Screw Central America, there is way too much corruption at the borders and 95% of Westerners who have done the trip would not do it again because of the borders. Not to mention that the Panama Canal is a Pain the Ass money pit to with a motorcycle. South America is way easier to travel. If you can get past the idea of 'riding your own bike" or trying "to bring your own bike back to the US," than you will realize that there was no advantage in the first place of riding your bike from home.

I hope Harry turns up in good shape.
Note to self: skip advice from people who live in Iowa when it comes to Mexico.

Point 1 is a toss up.

Point 2 is the only intelligent thing you posted.

Point 3 doesn't make any difference. Nada.

Point 4 you are talking out your ass and not from any first hand current experience.

Point 5 see point 4.

Stick to telling people how to grow or eat corn.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:18 PM   #44
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I was on the road he most likely took this past October (I'm in Santiago, Chile, now). It wasn't the best maintained and I would dare to say pretty sketchy. It basically was very curvy and went up and down into the mountains with a number of areas that landslides have taken a chunk of the road. There is very, very little traffic on it except for people going to and from the few local villages on it. There aren't many (if any) side roads off of it and some villages basically use 4-wheelers for their transportation. His motorcycle is pretty unique and I can guarantee if someone saw it, they would know it wasn't from around there.

If he missed a turn, or went off the road, he could have gone a long, long way down and no one would have known the better. I would hold off before jumping to the conclusion that he was kidnapped.

Btw. The amount of money that it costs to make this trip, the cost of a GPS tracker is in the background noise. There should be a push to make it part of your equipment (like a helmet). Especially, when one is riding alone.
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Old 02-09-2014, 01:55 PM   #45
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I won't be returning to Mexico without a Spot tracker. This has been weighing on me for some time now and I must admit that this episode with Harry, which we all pray ends well, has pushed me the remaining distance to making this decision. I hope more of us will do the same. Our families don't need to go through what the Deverts are going through. God bless them.

Keep praying for Harry.
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