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Old 02-16-2014, 07:19 AM   #1
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I've lived my whole life in Pennsylvania. We are ready for a change - both wife and I want to move someplace 'better.' The 'perfect' place doesn't exist:

1. Good weather - low humidity, warm winters, cool summers, lots of sunny days, low to zero snow.
2. good cost of living - affordable real estate, low taxes, cheap utilities,
3. good government - 'libertarian' - legal guns, few regulations, friendly, service-oriented police and gov't employees
4. Jobs - we tend to stay put at jobs we like, but I'd need to find one.
5. Good economy - low unemployment, low foreclosure rate, which leads to:
6. Low crime - don't need security cameras, fences, etc. Can leave doors unlocked with no fear. No Detroit-like abandoned infrastructure, shuttered houses, etc.
7. Pretty - access to parks, woods, camping, canoeing, biking, etc.
8. Low(er) population density - the few scraps of land in the Northeast that are not privately owned are heavily used, regulated, patrolled, etc.
9. Low culture shock - no hablo Espanol. Tambien no se hippy, Mormon, or cowboy.

PA sucks at a lot of this, and maybe I'm over-romanticizing, but I feel like almost every Mountain and Western state nails everything... with their peculiarities. NV has crime, CA is expensive and overly-governed, UT might seem Mars if you're not LDS, AZ is too hot, CO is too congested/ expensive (where the jobs are), OR and WA are too rainy, MT and ID are too cold/ snowy....

On paper good compromises look like: St. George, UT and Reno, NV - with St. George losing a bit on cost and jobs, and Reno losing a bit on crime and economy.

School me, warn me, or alleviate my fear!!! Help us start a new life! Where should we move?
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:09 AM   #2
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St. George is just downwind of the old nuclear weapons test site. During the years that testing was going on (1950s to 1980s) it had significantly elevated cancers rates. Not sure if that's still the case.

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Old 02-16-2014, 08:18 AM   #3
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northern new mexico such as Santa Fe is a pretty good match for your criteria.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:49 AM   #4
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I've lived my whole life in Pennsylvania. We are ready for a change - both wife and I want to move someplace 'better.'

8. Low(er) population density - the few scraps of land in the Northeast that are not privately owned are heavily used, regulated, patrolled, etc.
9. Low culture shock - no hablo Espanol. Tambien no se hippy, Mormon, or cowboy.
Both of these makes me think your fine just where your are. The people in the "lower density" places are likely already tired of transplants who don't want to blend into the local culture but would rather homogenize. Just as likely you can find someplace perfect that has already been swamped with new growth in the 15 years where the local culture has been pushed out.......... might be too many people there for you though.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:52 AM   #5
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I like your list, and am feeling the same need to relocate............soon.

For your consideration, Flagstaff, AZ, Prescott, AZ, Durango, CO, Grand Junction/Fruita, CO.

Happy hunting.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:04 AM   #6
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Just like Mountain said, your probably already there!
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:13 AM   #7
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Yeah, if you're intolerant of other languages, Mormons, hippies, cowboys, snow, and large numbers of people, you've pretty much eliminated all of the west.

Perhaps most of the world.

Myself, I'm a Spanish-speaking hippie who loves snow, and gets along with most cowboys and most Mormons. I don't like huge crowds, but I live on the Colorado front range anyway, due to other positive (for me) factors. You probably don't want to be where I am.

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Old 02-16-2014, 09:26 AM   #8
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Try City-Data for your research needs.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/#u-s-forums


p.s. I'm an Indian American (dot not feather) who speaks no Spanish but wishes he did and will probably take an immersion course in the near future. Cultural diversity rocks!
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:28 AM   #9
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Yeah, you are going to need to open your mind a bit or stay where you are. Western slope of Colorado isn't crowded (yet!). Tourist areas are more spend. I have survived just fine with my spanglish, but depends on your job. If you sweep all states with broad generalizations, then you should stay in crowded, polluted, narrow minded PA. I know that is not the case, but hopefully you get my drift.
What I like out west is a lot of the fun, quirky small towns. People seem happier in general because they CHOOSE to live there, rather than have to. You may call it hippy, but a lot of them are just happy people of a similar mindset.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:40 AM   #10
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I wouldn't want to live someplace where there were many people just like me...

Move to a place you might fit in and be welcomed, not just a place that fits your unrealistic standards.

Have you ever spent much time in the West?

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Old 02-16-2014, 09:44 AM   #11
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I was in Utah for about 7 months, I liked it.
But I'd be farther south than Provo if you are trying to flee cold winters.

But being close to Sundance, Alta, Snowbird and Park City ain't bad either.
Lots of public use lands, cheap.

Active folks, beautiful place and they make some damn good beer there.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:48 AM   #12
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I left PA 20 some years ago.
I could see it being culture shock for some of my Berks County friends.
Another great aspect to living here is the proximity to the native cultures. Please don't confuse them with the Spanish population. Both have history here that proceeds you or I.

Funny how different I think of St. George and Reno. Maybe just the states. I love visiting Utah, but to live there? I'm close enough here.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:55 AM   #13
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I wouldn't want to live someplace where there were many people just like me...
Neither would anyone else.

Are you okay? Really? I was expecting a bit more spit fire or are you completely burned out on all the help me I'm coming/moving to CO threads?


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Old 02-16-2014, 09:59 AM   #14
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northern new mexico such as Santa Fe is a pretty good match for your criteria.
Too many deadbeats, NO JOBS and you have to Se Hippy and vote Democrat. All the land is locked up by federal and the FS or indian land and land grants (Pockets of Poverty). Crime, Heroin, Bad Schools, NO JOBS and a living wage in SF that has killed 70% of the retail. Real estate is 150% of national average and NO JOBS. Oh yea, bring your own grocery bags to Trader Joes. And don't forget, NO JOBS, but with Obama care you will be freed to be an Artist.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:10 AM   #15
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Neither would anyone else.

Are you okay? Really? I was expecting a bit more spit fire or are you completely burned out on all the help me I'm coming/moving to CO threads?
I am saving my strength for the usual springtime onslaught of "I am coming to Colorado and want to know where the best trails are that only the locals know about" and "can I ride my GS over Black Bear Pass?" threads.

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