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Old 02-16-2014, 10:13 AM   #16
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Your considering moving back to the 1950's I assume?

Not sure how the latest time travel machine is coming along.

(dont even consider nor-cal,nothing to be seen here,keep moving)
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:40 AM   #17
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Thanks for replies so far.

Clarification: It looks like many are taking my "culture shock" thing differently than intended. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I am friend to anyone who is not an idiot, but - and don't THINK this makes me a racist - I would think twice about moving to a place where a lot of business was conducted in a language I didn't speak. I would think twice about moving someplace where my lifestyle would be seen as offensive to the locals. I don't want someone picking a fight with me because I have a different accent (this happened to me in a southern state), or because I'm not wearing cowboy boots. I saw a youtube video once where some hippy accosted a guy driving a diesel pickup truck, screaming about how he was selfishly ruining the environment. I have a PA accent, I don't wear cowboy gear, I have a big diesel camper hauler, I don't go to church. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where I wouldn't be welcome/ accepted.

... and, being honest, that's how some of you make it sound. "We don't tolerate intolerance."

I feel like I've always been a "Westerner" at heart: self-sufficient, outdoorsy, adventurous, neighborly, respecting other's rights... I'd like to land out there somewhere surrounded by like-minded people, not in someplace we'd be seen as 'the outsiders.' If you're an avid nudist and want to move to PA, I'd steer you away from places with a lot of traditional, religious, Amish populations!. Hopefully that makes sense.

Thanks again, keep the info coming!
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:08 AM   #18
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Ah manj...

idiots are some of my best friends and make for such fun. Have you been to an ADV event?
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:11 AM   #19
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PA is much less crowded than many places out west. At least as many gun owners per capita And much more fragile.
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:12 AM   #20
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I would think twice about moving to a place where a lot of business was conducted in a language I didn't speak.
Um, yeah. You probably wouldn't be comfortable west of the Mississippi.
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:13 AM   #21
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Ah manj...

idiots are some of my best friends and make for such fun. Have you been to an ADV event?
Yes I have. couldn't believe how many idiots were willing to ride with me, and offered to buy a beer at the end of the day
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:16 AM   #22
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What happened to the heatwave?

Well yesterday didn't turn out very warm, but today is looking better. So maybe I will brave the wind and get out for a couple hours on the murdercycle.
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Old 02-16-2014, 01:17 PM   #23
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Wink Back to your questions

steve68steve,

As someone who moved to Colorado from New York in 1979 and lived in St.Louis prior to that I can appreciate your inquiry without feeling the need for a sarcastic reply. You should be able to receive a decent answer to your questions on this forum. My Colorado experience has been front range, central and southeastern. I ride a lot in northern New Mexico but that doesn't qualify as living experience so I'll limit the observations to Colorado.

1. Good weather - low humidity, warm winters, cool summers, lots of sunny days, low to zero snow.

Yes on all except the snow. I have experienced Januarys where I rode all month and Decembers with 42" of snow in my driveway. Colorado's elevation will never allow you to completely escape winter.

2. good cost of living - affordable real estate, low taxes, cheap utilities,

Compared to back east, yes.

3. good government - 'libertarian' - legal guns, few regulations, friendly, service-oriented police and gov't employees

I'd say yes with a caution. If you want to play politics, keep it to yourself. It's a loose-loose situation that won't be improving anytime soon. (JMHO.)

4. Jobs - we tend to stay put at jobs we like, but I'd need to find one.

Front Range yes, anywhere else not likely. FYI: Front range means the I-25 corridor between Pueblo and Ft.Collins centering around Denver. Loose definition.

5. Good economy - low unemployment, low foreclosure rate, which leads to:

See #4 above.

6. Low crime - don't need security cameras, fences, etc. Can leave doors unlocked with no fear. No Detroit-like abandoned infrastructure, shuttered houses, etc.

I lived that way for the first 3 years. After my property was vandalized for the 10th time by "Locals" I enclosed my property with a 6' privacy fence and a concrete rat barrier. I also installed a CCTV system. Did all the work myself right down to mixing my own cement in my own back yard batch plant. Cleared it all with the local building inspector and made it all code compliant. Much better now and wouldn't have it any other way. Rural does not always mean your property will be respected by others. Your results may vary.

7. Pretty - access to parks, woods, camping, canoeing, biking, etc.

Yes, got that plus great riding opportunities.

8. Low(er) population density - the few scraps of land in the Northeast that are not privately owned are heavily used, regulated, patrolled, etc.

Check.

9. Low culture shock - no hablo Espanol. Tambien no se hippy, Mormon, or cowboy.

This seemed to be the basis for your critical replies. Personally I don't find rural Colorado (southeastern anyway) to be as diverse as New York. Where I live it's 48% Hispanic, 48% White and 2% other (taken from county stats). I am able to get along fine in this area. The vandalism mentioned in the reply to #6 was the result of people I didn't know personally. This coming from a white guy who shaves his head. My first Colorado residence was a small mobile home I shared with a black family. They did not have it so easy. During that time I saw more bigotry and prejudice than I ever saw back east. Most likely it will come down to you and how you conduct yourself. I am not an overly social person and keep to myself. I also cherish my independence in all aspects of life so take my observations in that context. It could be different for you if you prefer to socialize a lot or if you are outspoken in public. Again, just my observations since I seem to have been down the road you're staring at.
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Old 02-16-2014, 02:48 PM   #24
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Thanks again for the further replies and links. Will be doing lots more research.
Lots of CO folks in here, it seems. A friend at work moved FROM CO to PA. He's half Ute - massively into guns, hunting, outdoors, etc. He claims PA is better for his desired life than CO. He worked somewhere along I25 near Denver and said it's nothing but traffic, sprawl, crowded, etc. The wildlife it either gone, protected, or no longer wild. Years ago I worked with a guy from Colorado Springs - he had much the same attitude about it, "used to be great, but the area is growing too fast and getting too 'corporate.'"

Those guys make me feel like the best place in CO for me would be somewhere south of the line connecting Grand Junction to Pueblo. All my research so far points to a region bounded by Reno, NV - SLC, UT - Pueblo, CO - Albuquerque, NM - Flagstaff, AZ - Reno.

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PA is much less crowded than many places out west. At least as many gun owners per capita And much more fragile.
I'm sure of it! Again that was the idea of trying to get opinions from people who live out there. PA has a LOT going for it. Really - I love it here. We survived a cancer scare last year which resulted in selling our business. There's now nothing holding us here and we have a renewed desire to see-do-live. That's the point of the move - not trying to escape population, crime, taxes, etc.

Thanks especially GoThere@50. That's exactly the kind of assessment that helps.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:05 PM   #25
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Those guys make me feel like the best place in CO for me would be somewhere south of the line connecting Grand Junction to Pueblo. All my research so far points to a region bounded by Reno, NV - SLC, UT - Pueblo, CO - Albuquerque, NM - Flagstaff, AZ - Reno.
You did a good job of figuring it out IMO, based on your criteria.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:26 PM   #26
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I left PA 20 some years ago... Funny how different I think of St. George and Reno. Maybe just the states. I love visiting Utah, but to live there? I'm close enough here.
It sounds like you're saying "Utah is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there." Is it easy to explain why not? It looks great on paper - what am I missing?

St George and Reno are a lot different to ME, too. You're seeing the difference between my wife's preference (Reno) and mine (Cedar City, UT). I'm a little wigged out to live in a place with legal prostitution and gambling, she thinks we'd be "freaks" in UT because we're not LDS...or church-goers at all, FTM.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:34 PM   #27
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I am a transplant to Pa.....from Canada....I love the area of Pa where I have lived for the last 25 years...not far from you in Upper Bucks county...moderate and short winters generally(bad one this year)compared to what I came from....taxes a little high but thats everywhere(everyone everywhere seems to think their tax burden is too high)....have a couple of acres..comfortable...nice riding along the Delaware river and up into the poconos...will probably stay here ......greener pastures syndrome perhaps Steve???
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:21 AM   #28
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Thanks for replies so far.

Clarification: It looks like many are taking my "culture shock" thing differently than intended. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I am friend to anyone who is not an idiot, but - and don't THINK this makes me a racist - I would think twice about moving to a place where a lot of business was conducted in a language I didn't speak. I would think twice about moving someplace where my lifestyle would be seen as offensive to the locals. I don't want someone picking a fight with me because I have a different accent (this happened to me in a southern state), or because I'm not wearing cowboy boots. I saw a youtube video once where some hippy accosted a guy driving a diesel pickup truck, screaming about how he was selfishly ruining the environment. I have a PA accent, I don't wear cowboy gear, I have a big diesel camper hauler, I don't go to church. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where I wouldn't be welcome/ accepted.

... and, being honest, that's how some of you make it sound. "We don't tolerate intolerance."

I feel like I've always been a "Westerner" at heart: self-sufficient, outdoorsy, adventurous, neighborly, respecting other's rights... I'd like to land out there somewhere surrounded by like-minded people, not in someplace we'd be seen as 'the outsiders.' If you're an avid nudist and want to move to PA, I'd steer you away from places with a lot of traditional, religious, Amish populations!. Hopefully that makes sense.

Thanks again, keep the info coming!

You did not offend anyone....you offended EVERYONE! Stay put, and please don't come to New Mexico even to visit.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:47 AM   #29
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you are complaining about stuff that is pretty trivial..... prostitution, church, race....... nobody forces you to .... visit a prostitute, go to church, talk to a spanish speaking person.....

i have known prostitutes, church people, and minorities, gays hippys coboys poor people and everybody else.....

and its not what they are but who they are

iv seen good and bad in all " classifications " of people

my self i think co has gotten to crowded especially the front range

the thing to remember ( no matter where you are ) the more people around you the less rights you have ( because they have rights to,, and might be different than yours )



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Old 02-17-2014, 09:11 AM   #30
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You can remove Pueblo from your list based on requirements 4, 7, and 9.
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