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Old 02-20-2014, 01:50 PM   #61
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Too freak'n funny!

After watching the martini shaker video I decided to do an experiment myself.

1. Called my cell from my land line. It rang and showed five bars.
2. Wrapped cell phone in tinfoil.
3. Called cell phone again and it didn't ring, straight to voicemail.
4. Unwrapped cell phone and it was showing zero bars!

Tinfoil for the win!!!

Also, I hadn't even considered a throw-away phone. That would be another option for emergency use. Buy it with cash, wrap it in tinfoil and go get lost!
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:33 PM   #62
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I myself carry a cheap trac-phone version of the motorola razor
that has no GPS chip one in my cars glove box an one in my riding jacket
for use as a back up to my smart device when it falls off the bike an for other clandestine uses

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Too freak'n funny!

After watching the martini shaker video I decided to do an experiment myself.

1. Called my cell from my land line. It rang and showed five bars.
2. Wrapped cell phone in tinfoil.
3. Called cell phone again and it didn't ring, straight to voicemail.
4. Unwrapped cell phone and it was showing zero bars!

Tinfoil for the win!!!

Also, I hadn't even considered a throw-away phone. That would be another option for emergency use. Buy it with cash, wrap it in tinfoil and go get lost!
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:44 PM   #63
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Careful now, the NSA is ALL over this thread like a hippie on a roach.
I'm more old school.

I like the radiation.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:17 PM   #64
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Even the paparazzi parked on the side of the road writing marginally legal traffic tickets has been found to be corrupt at it's core:
http://www.9news.com/news/article/37...ribery-scandal

All of this photo enforcement goes online as fresh intel on your activity that the NSA and anyone else smart enough could easily access. Some people get HTTP links in their letters with a video of the whole "incident". It's like a .gov YouTube for traffic infractions, you know the NSA is gonna be all up in that.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:50 PM   #65
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CJ, I've been out in the forests and seen bird houses that looked a little oddly placed so I stopped to look at them. There were game cameras in them with the lenses pointed out towards the road to take pictures of the cars and vehicles as they passed down the dirt roads. I don't know what agency placed them there, but I found that a little disconcerting that even out there cameras were placed to covertly monitor traffic. Somewhere is a picture of my ugly face looking inside that bird house.

Our local sheriff used that tactic to catch a thief breaking into cars at the trail head of a popular biking trail. They placed cameras inside bird houses and placed them around the parking area. They were able to identify him from those photos. The point is even in rural areas in the woods there are cameras.

Another point is the cell phones. When you call 911 your location is triangulated by the cell towers. Our 911 dispatcher can locate you to within a few hundred feet. If that technology exists for the use at the local county level then I am sure the feds have even better.
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Old 02-21-2014, 12:37 PM   #66
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[QUOTE=Scribe;23514155Government gathering info = end of liberty, freedom, the world, etc. Facebook gathering info = having fun with social media![/QUOTE]

You can't opt out of one but the other you can choose not to opt in so a little bit of a difference. Although ya gotta wonder about google. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_barges

Anyone with four death stars...well that can't be good.
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:58 AM   #67
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I myself carry a cheap trac-phone version of the motorola razor that has no GPS chip
You don't need a GPS chip in your phone to find out where it/you are. As long as your phone has a cell tower to bounce a signal off of 'they' can find you within a specific radius. More than one tower and the radius get's smaller - triangulation and such. However, 911 service does requires a GPS.

You need a Faraday bag ---> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Hole-Far.../dp/B0091WILY0 ...or take the battery out of your phone.
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:51 PM   #68
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with roadside cameras and drones, the gov't will turn all roads into toll roads and bill us for use, carbon emissions, speeding and every other violation, until all vehicles have a transmitting black box, making cameras and drones unnecessary.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:43 PM   #69
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I design and build systems to track and make sense of data. Very large amounts of data. Those who believe the goverment have the super powers to collect and make sense of information about every boring individual on earth also believes in santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, superman, star trek and the force at the same time. You should be more concerned about facebook, google, verizon, att and the other tech giants. They do have the technology and the know how to track most of the stupid dumb things boring people do. They also have the motivation to use and misuse information. Its called profit.

The best way to disappear from surveillance is not to hide. Be out there be visible and blend in with the rest. Make sure you do not
do things that call attention to yourself, like paying large bills with cash, thats what drug dealers do. Just be normal and your information will blend with the big ocean of information out there and will truly become anonimous.

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Old 02-22-2014, 06:45 PM   #70
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...until all vehicles have a transmitting black box, making cameras and drones unnecessary.

You sure they don't already? My GMC with Onstar typically does a pretty good job of letting somebody know where it is at all times, and the Nav system in the wife's new Jeep is even fancier. Just say in'...
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:12 PM   #71
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You sure they don't already? My GMC with Onstar typically does a pretty good job of letting somebody know where it is at all times, and the Nav system in the wife's new Jeep is even fancier. Just say in'...
My 1970 F100 doesn't even have electronic ignition, let alone a "black box".
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Old 02-22-2014, 07:20 PM   #72
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I design and build systems to track and make sense of data. Very large amounts of data. Those who believe the goverment have the super powers to collect and make sense of information about every boring individual on earth also believes in santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, superman, star trek and the force at the same time. You should be more concerned about facebook, google, verizon, att and the other tech giants. They do have the technology and the know how to track most of the stupid dumb things boring people do. They also have the motivation to use and misuse information. Its called profit.

The best way to disappear from surveillance is not to hide. Be out there be visible and blend in with the rest. Make sure you do not
do things that call attention to yourself, like paying large bills with cash, thats what drug dealers do. Just be normal and your information will blend with the big ocean of information out there and will truly become anonimous.

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Let me get this straight....the guy with 18 posts who "designs and builds systems to track and make sense of very large amounts of data" is telling us to just get in line and do as everyone else does. I guess all those key words got somebody's attention.

Pay no attention to Facebook, Google, etc. protesting .gov's madatory information gathering/reporting, or those HUGE data collection facilities in Utah.

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Old 02-23-2014, 06:27 AM   #73
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I design and build systems to track and make sense of data. Very large amounts of data. Those who believe the goverment have the super powers to collect and make sense of information about every boring individual on earth also believes in santa claus, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, superman, star trek and the force at the same time. You should be more concerned about facebook, google, verizon, att and the other tech giants. They do have the technology and the know how to track most of the stupid dumb things boring people do. They also have the motivation to use and misuse information. Its called profit.

The best way to disappear from surveillance is not to hide. Be out there be visible and blend in with the rest. Make sure you do not
do things that call attention to yourself, like paying large bills with cash, thats what drug dealers do. Just be normal and your information will blend with the big ocean of information out there and will truly become anonimous.

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Was this sent from a lil black helicopter ?
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Old 02-23-2014, 06:34 AM   #74
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My 1970 F100 doesn't even have electronic ignition, let alone a "black box".
The satellites can probably track you by the radio signals coming off your ignition points. As the only pre-electronic ignition around, you will stick out like a sore thumb.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:44 AM   #75
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The satellites can probably track you by the radio signals coming off your ignition points. As the only pre-electronic ignition around, you will stick out like a sore thumb.
The only way they can track my Dodge diesel 1995 is by the sonic vibrations.
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