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Old 02-27-2014, 01:40 PM   #31
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This would be a very nice bike and a serious consider trade my wee in for it.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:50 PM   #32
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I believe there is room for both (kinda like the tiger's)

One road-oriented, TDM-09


This one I'd buy!!!


And another dirt worthy, maybe with the 700cc engine, for you purists

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Old 03-01-2014, 04:37 AM   #33
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Twins are great for low end torque . . . Unfortunately, they are too buzzy for me (excluding 90 degree V-Twins).

I tried to make my own lighter Tenere (Versys with Adventure wheels) . . . too tall and buzzy. A Super Moto was great for power, comfort and handling . . . But had too much vibration too.



My FZ-09 is dreaming to become a Dakar bike:



HB has a crashbar for the FZ . . . Hopefully, SW-Motech will have a better design:

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Old 03-01-2014, 07:54 PM   #34
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I believe there is room for both (kinda like the tiger's)

One road-oriented, TDM-09


This one I'd buy!!!
That's a pretty good lookin bike. If Yamaha were able to keep the price near the naked version, I'd seriously consider it as well.
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:37 AM   #35
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Why must they always detune?
Because, in an (Adventure) Tourer, low and mid-range power is drastically more important then the very top end. Taking some power away from the top end allows them to boost the low and mid, if tuned properly.
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Old 03-02-2014, 09:49 AM   #36
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"Twins are great for low end torque . . . Unfortunately, they are too buzzy for me (excluding 90 degree V-Twins)."
My 750 Super Tenere is not buzzy. Not even close.
Have you been on one of these?
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:26 AM   #37
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"Twins are great for low end torque . . . Unfortunately, they are too buzzy for me (excluding 90 degree V-Twins)."
My 750 Super Tenere is not buzzy. Not even close.
Have you been on one of these?
If it is not available in the States . . . Not interested.

My 1989 V-Twin Transalp was a very smooth bike . . . Only issue was it not being available after 1990.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:36 AM   #38
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Not all vertical twins are the same. A few of them like the S10 and post 1999 TDMs (they still make that bike) have off set cranks to mimic V twins power pulses.

My 92 TDM had a similar engine as a 750 Tenere. They are both 360 twins. Mine vibrated, but at a frequency that did not seem to bother me.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:29 AM   #39
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if they building something around the 3 cylinder motor likely it will be a city/street bike in adventure styling.
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Old 03-03-2014, 02:29 AM   #40
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I'm more a road-oriented guy, but if this comes with the MT-09 price point and traction control I'll have my hands all over it.
How could they built up more stuff, add traction control and still keep it at
mt09 price point?

Be realistic.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:12 AM   #41
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Definitely not at the 8k price point, but 10k could be reasonable, especially if there is no traction control or abs, which would be fine with me. Abs I would take but, in my humble opinion, traction control is useless, especially the simpler type like BMW.

Has anyone actually ridden the new GS off road with TCS enabled? It cuts your ignition and you STOP. Great traction control, I could have stopped the bike myself (without ABS).

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Old 03-03-2014, 10:09 AM   #42
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How could they built up more stuff, add traction control and still keep it at
mt09 price point?

Be realistic.
Hey, I said at the same price point, not at the same price! Here in Portugal Mt-09 ABS costs 8.300 and the Tiger 800 ABS costs around 11.000.

At the same price point I was thinking more like below the 9.5000 for the new MT09, which, in my opinion, would be achievable.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:14 AM   #43
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Hey, I said at the same price point, not at the same price! Here in Portugal Mt-09 ABS costs 8.300€ and the Tiger 800 ABS costs around 11.000€.

At the same price point I was thinking more like below the 9.5000€ for the new MT09, which, in my opinion, would be achievable.
Oh ok, my bad, those prices are about what we have here too.
I'm leaning more to MT07..
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:24 PM   #44
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Oh ok, my bad, those prices are about what we have here too.
I'm leaning more to MT07..
I have a Versys (650 Parallel twin), so, no MT07 for me. I find this motor quite busy at highway speeds (which I tend to do more and more as my travels take me each time further away from home)
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I have a Versys (650 Parallel twin), so, no MT07 for me. I find this motor quite busy at highway speeds (which I tend to do more and more as my travels take me each time further away from home)
When I had to ride on the highway I was in the 75-85 range on my Ninja
650 and engine was fine, vibrations "ok" sort of. Now that I own a naked
bike, I rarely go over 75mph on the highway, and go there only if I need to.

MT09 should be just as "bad", so I wouldn't dismiss the 07 just because
of that, since you can't ride fast for long anyways, and all these naked bikes
tend to be geared rather short for acceleration (NC700S isn't, for example).
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