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Old 03-06-2014, 02:55 PM   #76
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Is it that hard to accept the consequences of your own actions these days?!
I've got to say , what would a cop know anything about this.
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:41 PM   #77
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I've got to say , what would a cop know anything about this.
Ha! Sad but true.

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Old 03-06-2014, 06:46 PM   #78
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I've got to say , what would a cop know anything about this.
What's the point?
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Old 03-06-2014, 06:51 PM   #79
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What's the point?
You people believe in that do as I say , not as I do / I can do whatever the hell I want BS. I DON'T!
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Old 03-06-2014, 07:42 PM   #80
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You people believe in that do as I say , not as I do / I can do whatever the hell I want BS. I DON'T!
What the fuck are you talking about? Who are "you people"?

For my part, I do as I say; accept the consequences of my own actions. Is it that hard for the troll you are to understand something that simple?

Never got a ticket on 2 wheels myself but one "warning". But even if I had, I would have accepted it. Not with a smile mind you, but I'm an adult and I can accept the consequences of my actions.

I'm done with you anyway, you're a real insult to my intelligence.
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Old 03-06-2014, 07:57 PM   #81
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What the fuck are you talking about? Who are "you people"?

For my part, I do as I say; accept the consequences of my own actions. Is it that hard for the troll you are to understand something that simple?

Never got a ticket on 2 wheels myself but one "warning". But even if I had, I would have accepted it. Not with a smile mind you, but I'm an adult and I can accept the consequences of my actions.

I'm done with you anyway, you're a real insult to my intelligence.
Your an insult to your own intelligence.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:02 AM   #82
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fwiw, no worries about redlight or photo radar in NH, its illegal in NH for the state of municipalities to place cameras on highways

with only a few exceptions, they have em at toll booths and some of the major bridges

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...36/236-130.htm
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:55 AM   #83
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I wonder if people getting into a rage when a criminal gets free on technicalities are the same as the ones fighting teeth and nails against a traffic ticket they deserve, on grounds that it is "unconstitutional", or this or that technicality.

As it has been said before, if you deserve a ticket, pay up if you get caught.

On the other hand, if it is really an unfair ticket, this should not happen in the first place. Private companies doing the government's work is also questionable. The government should have the monopoly on enforcing the law. But that is another discussion I guess
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:58 AM   #84
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I vote with SgtDuster - Having been a father of teenage boys who started driving at 16, and the husband of an EX who regularly tailgates, speeds and ignores snow and ice because she has 4WD, my family auto insurance premiums climbed to over $10k/year for several years. I contributed my own share of violations as well...

After a few years of this I began challenging any moving violation I thought I had a chance with. I encouraged my sons to do the same. I typically used the LEO's write up as the basis for my objection, coupled with the traffic or road conditions at the moment. Using this and maybe technical specs from the vehicle, I scripted a defense with the sole objective to simply raise doubt. Surprisingly, if mine or my son's defense was reasonable and plausable, the judge let us off pretty often.

I'm not sure how these electronic tickets work, but one of my sons routinely tossed his parking tickets picked up around Boston. I borrowed his truck once and was stopped for some odd reason. Then I watched as they towed the truck and left me standing in the rain on a Watertown sidewalk. Not a good idea to toss any kind of violations.

Few years ago I went to Tempe to watch my #2 son's graduation from ASU. I noticed a very odd thing when driving the freeways around Phoenix. Everybody drove exactly the speed limit side by side even if there were several lanes in each direction. It was sort of maddening. Then I learned they had the photo vans all through the Valley. I'll say one thing, it kept the speeds down!

They've since recalled those photo vans (at least on the freeways). Now when I visit and use the freeways on my little 250, I have to be very careful where I cruise. Even if the limit is 60mph, 90mph is common. Never seen anything like it! Feels like drafting at Daytona.

I say if you think you have a case, take it to court, not the internet. If you don't then pay up and move on. It won't likely be your last anyway.
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Old 03-07-2014, 11:04 AM   #85
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Not a good idea to toss any kind of notice to appear that are sent as a summons from a lawful court.
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If it doesn't come from the municipal or county/j.p. court, and, it also requests that you to specifically NOT contact the court about the matter, then it is probably not a legal court process.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:16 PM   #86
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If a court issues you a summons, you will be served in person for it to be legal. When you are issued a citation by an officer, that citation serves as your summons.

I was involved in a civil case some years ago. The first summons came in the mail, ordinary first class. I called the attorney, he said to toss it out. Second one I found in the front door. Threw that out also. Third time, it was handed to me in person.

If I ever am involved with a camera type event, I will turn it over to my attorney. It'll be cheaper in the long run.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:29 PM   #87
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If a court issues you a summons, you will be served in person for it to be legal. When you are issued a citation by an officer, that citation serves as your summons.
Exactly why the red light camera spam mail isn't a court summons and a real citation is.

Like I said, they don't have a leg to stand on with this deal.

The credit report crap can be cleaned up as easy as any other case of spamming your report could be.

The only lever they have is on registration or DL renewal via internet. In person or snail mail seems to circumvent the problem entirely from what I've read.

It is government sanctioned highway robbery in the truest sense.
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Old 03-07-2014, 06:41 PM   #88
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Here's the thing...

In each and EVERY case, whenever the PROPER yellow light timing has been set in an intersection with a red light camera, the camera has become unprofitable and has been removed. Proper meaning the guidelines set by NHTSA and engineering studies. So any intersection with a "profitable" red light camera is running improper yellow light timing. We all know these cameras are nothing but scams. I agree with all the others -- ignore it. Until you get something you have to sign for, or a personal summons, to hell with it. THEN FIGHT IT, even if you lose. It'll help clog up the system.

Speaking of summonseses and stuff, what's the deal with Oregon? I got a regular ticket there a couple months ago and was NOT asked to sign it. He just handed me the slip and said have a nice day. To me, this is therefore not a promise to appear and is not legally enforceable. I've done nothing about it and don't plan to, again, until I have to SIGN something. Seems to me this is a violation of some constitutional right that nobody has bothered to fight yet.

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Old 03-08-2014, 04:09 AM   #89
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Speaking of summonseses and stuff, what's the deal with Oregon? I got a regular ticket there a couple months ago and was NOT asked to sign it. He just handed me the slip and said have a nice day. To me, this is therefore not a promise to appear and is not legally enforceable.
none of the 3 states I have recieved tickets in (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine) have ever required signature upon receipt since I have been driving (1968)

think again , implied contract when you accepted your drivers license

next step when you fail to appear is: bench warrant = criminal offense

do you really think its wise to escalate a civil infraction to a crime ?
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Old 03-08-2014, 11:30 AM   #90
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In all these pages I have not seen it noted that the rule/custom/standard of running a red light is that you enter the intersection (cross the "stop here" stripe) AFTER the light goes red. If you enter the intersection while the the light is yellow there is no infraction, even if goes red a millisecond after your bumper crosses the stripe. So, which one was it? That's all that really matters.
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