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Old 03-10-2014, 12:03 PM   #76
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...The crash that shattered my wrist was because I got T boned by another guy. He just choked going into turn 3 ( TWS again) and went straight instead of trying to make the turn and slammed right into it and me. That injury was worse then my broken back in some respects. Took me 8 months before I could ride again because I didn't have the strength to pull in the clutch. I was only out for 5 months with the back injury.
Yep, it's usually when you get tangled up with someone or something that you get hurt. All my racetrack crashes were single bike lowsides. With the exception of my 140mph get off. In that one my mechanic forgot to safetywire my front brake lines after working on them and I went off the track with no brakes. I have no idea how I came out of that unscathed but I did. Want to feel the pucker factor, reach for the brakes entering a 90deg turn at 140+mph and find nothing there! I fired my mechanic when I got out of the Dr's office. Then I felt sorry for myself and hired me back again. Sometimes good help is hard to find...
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Old 03-10-2014, 12:17 PM   #77
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I've crashed 4 times on the race track. The rest were on the street.
What are you doing wrong on the street that you are doing right on the track?
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:45 PM   #78
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What are you doing wrong on the street that you are doing right on the track?
Honestly, riding like I was on the racetrack. Most of my crashes on the street were lowsides where I tucked the front end on slower corners, usually under 60-70mph. Only two involved other vehicles, one was my fault when I rear ended a someone who was stopped in the lane with their left turn signal on then decided to park on the right while I was passing on the right. The other was a head on with a motorhome. That was the motorhome drivers fault, he was in my lane.

I was lucky, I never hit anything that didn't move.
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:16 PM   #79
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Now that I have some more miles on the ZX6 I know that the initial speeding on the bike is over with. I have settled back into mature riderdom. I do the the occasional zip here or there but there is no need to degraduate in motorcycle capabilities due to lack of self control.

Edit: in addition, riding fast on the street going through the twisty bits is no longer comfortable. I used to do track days and pushing the limits reached its max there. Just can't trust the uncontrollable variables anymore. Age and a baby on the way have really siphoned off the aggressive road riding.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:32 AM   #80
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I've crashed 4 times on the race track. The rest were on the street. The street is significantly more dangerous than the racetrack. That comparison isn't even close. If you think it's safer to go 180mph in traffic on public roads than it is on the racetrack you are deluding yourself.
Wraith Rider deludes himself with the greatest of ease. His problem is that others remain unconvinced.
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:01 AM   #81
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It's funny how you guys always say how easy it is to ride fast (e.g. 190mph) on a straight road that's build for such speeds, so easy even a monkey can do that, but then try to tell it was more dangerous than doing the same thing on something as tight as a race track where you can reach such speeds only for the glimpse of a moment at all.

I think I'll keep my high speed straight line riding where it belongs. And as long as I don't have the excess money for a crash bike uhm race bike, I think I'll keep my all over riding speed at the safe side of my skills' limits.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:45 AM   #82
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How many RPM's does your speedometer say when your TACH says 268 KPH? And I'm not informed? Your info's not from this planet.
9200, my uninformed friend.


Then both your tach and speedo are clearly mislabeled, because your tach should be showing RPM and your speedo KPH.

Maybe it's different way up there in the clouds.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:59 AM   #83
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Because you and joexr are the ones who tell the world how it should turn?
You aren't that important.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:47 AM   #84
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Because you and joexr are the ones who tell the world how it should turn?
You aren't that important.
I don't need to be important to be correct.
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:15 AM   #85
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But you need to be important to make the world do what you think it should do. As it is, you have to live with what my tachometer, which is English for "Geschwindigkeitsmesser" as well as for "Drehzahlmesser", does. You can't change that, no matter how "correct" or childish you are.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:05 PM   #86
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But you need to be important to make the world do what you think it should do. As it is, you have to live with what my tachometer, which is English for "Geschwindigkeitsmesser" as well as for "Drehzahlmesser", does. You can't change that, no matter how "correct" or childish you are.
I love German compound words.

My Cassell's German dictionary translates geschwindigkeitsmesser as "speedometer" or "tachometer". If one wanted to be specific, "drehzalmesser" would be the word for "tachometer". What I think is that rather than use a huge word in normal conversation, everyone just says "tacho". A common collective English term for the instruments is "clocks".

I was a VW-Porsche mechanic many years ago, and ran into this often. For instance, the box the fuel pump came in said "kraftstoffpumpe", but the German mechanics called it a "benzinpumpe".
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:59 PM   #87
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It's funny how you guys always say how easy it is to ride fast (e.g. 190mph) on a straight road that's build for such speeds, so easy even a monkey can do that, but then try to tell it was more dangerous than doing the same thing on something as tight as a race track where you can reach such speeds only for the glimpse of a moment at all.

I think I'll keep my high speed straight line riding where it belongs. And as long as I don't have the excess money for a crash bike uhm race bike, I think I'll keep my all over riding speed at the safe side of my skills' limits.
I think what you re missing is that while it is easy to ride fast at those speeds there is not much reaction time to deal with "things". On the race track you don't have motorhomes in your lane or dirt in the corners or lorry's/cars changing into your lane or deer jumping in front of you, metal and concrete barriers on the outside of the corners, steel poles concrete bridge supports etc., etc., etc. How many people do you know who have crashed on the street at 140-180mph and walked away from it? They sure aren't jumping out of the woods to post on here. There are two of us who did on the track without injury. If you ride at those speeds you're number will come up, it's just a matter of time. Remember, falling doesn't get you. It's the sudden stop when you hit something that gets you.
Think about it, above all, you're willing to ride at those speeds on a bike with sub-par suspension...
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:21 PM   #88
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Wraith Rider, when you want to really test your mettle and go fast, do a track day. I thought I was fast on the street(and I used to be one of the fastest riding my dual sport with street tires) but it took a whole weekend on the track before developing a rhythm and pushing further and further to where I was taking corners so fast that my knee was pinned between the ground and the bodywork of the GSXR600 I was on and it was glorious.

I can't ride fast on the street now because I don't know if there is dirt, water, a parked car around the next corner waiting to turn my bike and I into an accordion. The speed potential and controlled conditions on the track taught me that.
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:49 AM   #89
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I think I'll keep my high speed straight line riding where it belongs. And as long as I don't have the excess money for a crash bike uhm race bike, I think I'll keep my all over riding speed at the safe side of my skills' limits.
You afraid to turn?

If you can't afford to do it right, how are you going to afford to do it over?
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:54 AM   #90
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I was a VW-Porsche mechanic many years ago, and ran into this often. For instance, the box the fuel pump came in said "kraftstoffpumpe", but the German mechanics called it a "benzinpumpe".
"Benzin" is gas/petrol, while "Kraftstoff" is fuel, it can be diesel or kerosine or whatever else drives an engine.

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I think what you re missing is that while it is easy to ride fast at those speeds there is not much reaction time to deal with "things".
Then it's not easy.

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How many people do you know who have crashed on the street at 140-180mph and walked away from it? They sure aren't jumping out of the woods to post on here. There are two of us who did on the track without injury.
But you crashed. How huge was the damage?

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If you ride at those speeds you're number will come up, it's just a matter of time.
Ah well... I'm told so for years and years. If my number comes after 40 years I'm fine with that.

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Wraith Rider, when you want to really test your mettle and go fast
I don't. I don't think I'm exceptionally fast, I don't want to risk a crash by pushing further and further. I just want to have fun with my bike.
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