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Old 03-06-2014, 11:15 PM   #1
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Does Attitude Matter?

Do I need to read a book? Take MSF? Am I not serious enough about riding to be safe?

Somewhat serious question, but I find in this forum we have some rather serious posters. The only difference I can perceive between myself and a few is my attitude about riding. It would seem to be "wrong." Because we all ride bikes, right? Must I think a certain way when I mount my bike everyday to be safe?

I wear helmet, appropriate jacket, riding gloves, and appropriate boots or shoes for no slip traction. I am not agatt but I am covered from head to toe even in SoCal summers.

And that was just for scooters.

So are these the "trolls" in the forum calling me a "squid" or should I know something I don't? Oh, maybe I will just quit riding and be "sportbikeless" in a year, as one poster says? Which is nonsense.

It seems ridiculous, but maybe they are right? My attitude needs to change about riding when getting on the bike. And I am quite serious about that.

This is a safety forum, of sorts. I ride lawfully, have broken the mirror of a car of a gang member and kept going. I did not mention the thug in the thread where I was bashed for riding on. I did not mention it was a gang member with tattoos and a shaved head who tried to swipe me, because I thought some might side with me easier, or start gun talk like in other threads here when "thugs" enter the banter. I just wanted some unbiased answers. I was in a place akin to Compton, on a scooter. Did not mention that, either. Because I did not want it to become political. I just wanted to say "i hit a mirror and kept on going" because a driver tried to kill me. And I would keep going again in the same situation.

For this I am "reckless" and a "squid." I find that silly.

And for all that it follows me to my new thread. Apparently, my attitude about riding is wrong. I need be more serious and give more courtesy to those trying to kill me on the road. Otherwise I am a squid and give all of you a bad name.

But you see, I am not a squid. I know what that is. If any SoCal riders were ever meet and ride with me that is so apparent. So, so appreant. Quite seriously. If I can be serious for a moment as others can.

But you see, my attitude about riding is wrong, so it seems. And does it matter? Because if so, maybe I can learn something, here. Something that will save my ass. Or yours. Quite seriously.

It does seem very serious business to some. Although we all do the same thing, take the same risks, and hopefully ride within our limits as well as the limits of the law, perhaps how i think about it does matter?

I have a lot to learn about riding. I will get that from expereince, taking my riding lesson tomorrow, and my upcoming MSF course. But I know how to ride, and I do it for the freedom of it, not the fear or politics of it. And not for the sport of it. It's the joy of it.

I don't know, maybe this ""Perfect Line" forum is a serious one and I did not realize that? Not a place for relaxing a little after a ride. It's ok lots of other good forums here at ADV.

They never called me a squid in Battle Scooters. I am starting to miss my home.

Have a good time, guys. Keep the rubber side down, and maybe I will pass you on the road, sometime.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:27 PM   #2
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Perfect line is full of people looking for a fight. Don't expect to start a thread here unless you are looking to start a fight. That may not be your intention but that is what will happen.

Any of the following topics are guaranteed to end in a fight:

ATTGATT
OIL
CAR TIRES
MOTORCYCLE TIRES
COUNTERSTEERING
LANE SPLITTING
CROSSING THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE
SPEEDING
HIGH VIS GEAR
HARLEYS
SPORTBIKES
BMW'S
KNEE DRAGGING
RIDING

Did I miss anything?
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:41 PM   #3
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ADV Rider is full of people looking for a fight. Don't expect to start a thread here unless you are looking to start a fight. That may not be your intention but that is what will happen.

Any of the following topics are guaranteed to end in a fight:

ATTGATT
OIL
CAR TIRES
MOTORCYCLE TIRES
COUNTERSTEERING
LANE SPLITTING
CROSSING THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE
SPEEDING
HIGH VIS GEAR
HARLEYS
SPORTBIKES
BMW'S
KNEE DRAGGING
RIDING

Did I miss anything?
I just made a minor correction in my all-knowing wisdom, but I think you've pretty much nailed it.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:42 PM   #4
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:47 PM   #5
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Any of the following topics are guaranteed to end in a fight:

ATTGATT
OIL
CAR TIRES
MOTORCYCLE TIRES
COUNTERSTEERING
LANE SPLITTING
CROSSING THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE
SPEEDING
HIGH VIS GEAR
HARLEYS
SPORTBIKES
BMW'S
KNEE DRAGGING
RIDING
BICYCLISTS

Did I miss anything?
I knew we were missing something.
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:34 AM   #6
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what the hell are you going on about? Wear what you want when you want, I don't care...
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:04 AM   #7
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Perfect line is full of people looking for a fight. Don't expect to start a thread here unless you are looking to start a fight. That may not be your intention but that is what will happen.

Any of the following topics are guaranteed to end in a fight:

ATTGATT
OIL
CAR TIRES
MOTORCYCLE TIRES
COUNTERSTEERING
LANE SPLITTING
CROSSING THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE
SPEEDING
HIGH VIS GEAR
HARLEYS
SPORTBIKES
BMW'S
KNEE DRAGGING
RIDING

Did I miss anything?
Not many:

Carrying a gun on your bike
What age should my kid be when I teach him to ride?
Helmet laws
Dyna Beads
The AMA
Gasoline
Gasoline additives
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:27 AM   #8
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LOL if you are going to take everything you read in here to heart you will never get on a bike again.

Dead set some of the garbage i have read in here makes me want to laugh , cry and scream all at the same time.

I'm suprised some blokes even manage to get out and enjoy their bikes. After dressing in eleventynine hundred layers of protective clothing and completing a pre ride check that would put NASA's pre flight checks to shame
Once they finally manage to leave the driveway they seem to need to be in such a heightened state of awarness / panic / defence mode that there is no way they can be enjoying themselves.

One finger covering the brakes a couple more covering the clutch, ensuring that their GO Pro is working so they can record the accident that they are certain is about to happen to them.

Slowing down to 10 mph because the wind just came up and may have blown dust particles onto the road.

Slowing to walking pace in the area that they saw a goat cross the road 6 years ago.

Pulling into a carpark every 12 kilometeres to practice their emergency braking.

Fuckem and feed em beans. Ride what you want and how you want. And then if you still want advice intersperesed with 74 pages of argy bargy from old blokes with sand in their vaginas come in here and ask away.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:45 AM   #9
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Dead set some of the garbage i have read in here makes me want to laugh , cry and scream all at the same time.
True, very true.
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Old 03-07-2014, 01:57 AM   #10
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LOL if you are going to take everything you read in here to heart you will never get on a bike again.

Dead set some of the garbage i have read in here makes me want to laugh , cry and scream all at the same time.

I'm suprised some blokes even manage to get out and enjoy their bikes. After dressing in eleventynine hundred layers of protective clothing and completing a pre ride check that would put NASA's pre flight checks to shame
Once they finally manage to leave the driveway they seem to need to be in such a heightened state of awarness / panic / defence mode that there is no way they can be enjoying themselves.

One finger covering the brakes a couple more covering the clutch, ensuring that their GO Pro is working so they can record the accident that they are certain is about to happen to them.

Slowing down to 10 mph because the wind just came up and may have blown dust particles onto the road.

Slowing to walking pace in the area that they saw a goat cross the road 6 years ago.

Pulling into a carpark every 12 kilometeres to practice their emergency braking.

Fuckem and feed em beans. Ride what you want and how you want. And then if you still want advice intersperesed with 74 pages of argy bargy from old blokes with sand in their vaginas come in here and ask away.
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Old 03-07-2014, 02:50 AM   #11
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:26 AM   #12
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I think your attitude in everyday life directly correlates to how you behave on the bike. I'm usually very passive and anti-confrontational, so when I ride I watch my own ass like a hawk, and when something does happen, I handle the situation, then once it's over I just try to regain my cool and float on.

I think the problem people had about the issue you mentioned would be the fact that you retaliated. Bad neighborhood, gang member, w/e variables there were, he was just a psychopath. I think they disliked the immaturity you showed by retaliating at all. Life's too short for anger games man, don't cut it shorter over some stupid shit on the road.
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Old 03-07-2014, 04:05 AM   #13
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Dang it's been a long cold Winter.

Sure it matters. Ya gotta have attitude.

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Old 03-07-2014, 04:24 AM   #14
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Dang it's been a long cold Winter.

Sure it matters. Ya gotta have attitude.

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Attitude. That is a good word, motorcycling is communication with body language, and attitude is the root of it.
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Old 03-07-2014, 07:32 AM   #15
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Do I need to read a book? Take MSF? Am I not serious enough about riding to be safe?

Somewhat serious question, but I find in this forum we have some rather serious posters. The only difference I can perceive between myself and a few is my attitude about riding. It would seem to be "wrong." Because we all ride bikes, right? Must I think a certain way when I mount my bike everyday to be safe?

I wear helmet, appropriate jacket, riding gloves, and appropriate boots or shoes for no slip traction. I am not agatt but I am covered from head to toe even in SoCal summers.

And that was just for scooters.

So are these the "trolls" in the forum calling me a "squid" or should I know something I don't? Oh, maybe I will just quit riding and be "sportbikeless" in a year, as one poster says? Which is nonsense.

It seems ridiculous, but maybe they are right? My attitude needs to change about riding when getting on the bike. And I am quite serious about that.

This is a safety forum, of sorts. I ride lawfully, have broken the mirror of a car of a gang member and kept going. I did not mention the thug in the thread where I was bashed for riding on. I did not mention it was a gang member with tattoos and a shaved head who tried to swipe me, because I thought some might side with me easier, or start gun talk like in other threads here when "thugs" enter the banter. I just wanted some unbiased answers. I was in a place akin to Compton, on a scooter. Did not mention that, either. Because I did not want it to become political. I just wanted to say "i hit a mirror and kept on going" because a driver tried to kill me. And I would keep going again in the same situation.

For this I am "reckless" and a "squid." I find that silly.

And for all that it follows me to my new thread. Apparently, my attitude about riding is wrong. I need be more serious and give more courtesy to those trying to kill me on the road. Otherwise I am a squid and give all of you a bad name.

But you see, I am not a squid. I know what that is. If any SoCal riders were ever meet and ride with me that is so apparent. So, so appreant. Quite seriously. If I can be serious for a moment as others can.

But you see, my attitude about riding is wrong, so it seems. And does it matter? Because if so, maybe I can learn something, here. Something that will save my ass. Or yours. Quite seriously.

It does seem very serious business to some. Although we all do the same thing, take the same risks, and hopefully ride within our limits as well as the limits of the law, perhaps how i think about it does matter?

I have a lot to learn about riding. I will get that from expereince, taking my riding lesson tomorrow, and my upcoming MSF course. But I know how to ride, and I do it for the freedom of it, not the fear or politics of it. And not for the sport of it. It's the joy of it.

I don't know, maybe this ""Perfect Line" forum is a serious one and I did not realize that? Not a place for relaxing a little after a ride. It's ok lots of other good forums here at ADV.

They never called me a squid in Battle Scooters. I am starting to miss my home.

Have a good time, guys. Keep the rubber side down, and maybe I will pass you on the road, sometime.
Just to put a direct answer to your musing:

I started out on sportbikes; started riding in Vermont (excellent roads, very little traffic, zero riding season) and was a complete squid. I knew how to twist the throttle and hang on for the ride.

Moved and learned a great deal about accident avoidance and angry drivers in the Boston and Providence areas. I was still a squid, with the only piece of gear I regularly wore being a helmet. I, too, removed many a mirror during that time.

Fast forward to today (some 16 years later) and I can tell you that many of the situations you will find yourself mired in (such as you described) are a result of your inexperience. No, I am not saying it is your fault a driver a tried to kill you. What I am saying is, that as your experience grows, you will develop the ability to analyze situations on the road, predict the possible outcomes, and better avoid putting yourself in potentially dangerous situations.

Also, this is VERY important to make part of your mantra, "Cars ALWAYS win." It's a 4-5Klb vehicle vs your ~600lbs. No way any confrontation is coming out in your favor (short of you ripping a mirror and running ,) so without disrespecting you, stow your ego and learn to let things go; the majority of people are not intentionally trying to kill us, they're just oblivious. It will be better for you longevity if you take that to heart.

I mean all this in the most positive manner, just my $.02
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