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Old 03-17-2014, 03:06 PM   #16
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If my memory is correct the Tiger and 800GS have 12k mile valve services. So if you do the simple pm stuff like oil and chain, they only go to the dealer for every other service. My Tiger 800 was more comfortable on the road and less buzzy, but heat from the motor is an issue. My current 800GS is buzzy at certain rpm's, but I enjoy riding it more than I did the Tiger.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:03 PM   #17
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Rumor is KTM may be adding cruise control to the 2015 1190 Adventure. Not sure if you can wait that long. I'm kind of in the same boat as well. I want to trade in my 2011 1200GSA for something comparable in engine size, but needs to be water cooled since I've had overheating problems when commuting in traffic in the summer. These bikes are supposed to be able to travel around the world, yet I have to turn it off when stuck in traffic in the summer. I'm leaning towards the 2014 S10 because of the cruise control, but I do like the lighter weight and horsepower of the 1190 Adventure R. I had F650GS (798cc) twin about 3 years ago and traded it in 2 months later for the GSA because it wasn't enjoyable riding on the highway. I am a big fan of the shaft drive because I ride everyday 365 days a year so the less maintenance for me, the better and that's kind of why the S10 is tipping the scales because I want a reliable bike for commuting and long distance touring.
I never had an overheating issue with my 2003 GSA or my 1998 R1100RT in traffic - that is not to say they did not get hot they did but they never reached the danger zone - darn close at times but never there. The worst I remember is my RT in sturgis 100 degrees and over an 1hr getting through town she was hot and I was smelling the dry clutch burn.

On Cruise - I can live without it but would much rather live with it. There are work arounds but none are as good as real cruise. With both the S-10 and KTM being throttle by wire I am surprised it was not already there it is software more then anything with a fly by wire throttle. So I will bet KTM adds it. Also wonder if it could be added to older bikes. - Nah! they almost never give people with older bikes a break like that.

The KTM does sound pretty nice but my never get a chance to ride one else I lay my money down.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:10 PM   #18
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Rumor is KTM may be adding cruise control to the 2015 1190 Adventure. Not sure if you can wait that long. I'm kind of in the same boat as well. I want to trade in my 2011 1200GSA for something comparable in engine size, but needs to be water cooled since I've had overheating problems when commuting in traffic in the summer. These bikes are supposed to be able to travel around the world, yet I have to turn it off when stuck in traffic in the summer. I'm leaning towards the 2014 S10 because of the cruise control, but I do like the lighter weight and horsepower of the 1190 Adventure R. I had F650GS (798cc) twin about 3 years ago and traded it in 2 months later for the GSA because it wasn't enjoyable riding on the highway. I am a big fan of the shaft drive because I ride everyday 365 days a year so the less maintenance for me, the better and that's kind of why the S10 is tipping the scales because I want a reliable bike for commuting and long distance touring.
I got to test ride an 1190 R and after 5 minutes idling, (waiting for the dealer escort), it was a like sitting on an oven. Anything under 25Mph, I felt the heat mainly off of the left side. Anytime I was stopped at a light or stop sign, it got very hot. It was maybe 70 degrees out. There were no indications of it overheating on the dash, but damn!!! I loved the power, but I don't like ktm reliability (or lack thereof) or the price here (nearly $20k, otd). But it sure makes me smile like a hipster doofus!

The Yamaha is heavier, but it's better on the road and from what I've experienced (very little) and have read, it gets the job done offroad.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:27 PM   #19
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My Local dealer has a 2013 Super Ten on the floor. The added the Yamaha Side cases, top box, engine guard and skid plate. The total cost of all the goodies was about 2300 plus the $500 for install. They want 15,995 out the door - that seems high. $500 for labor is high since most of looks like straight bolt on. It is the Dark Gray color ( I kind of like the color) Another dealer has a 2013 without farkles that is $12,000 - not sure if that is out the door or not price. It is a white one (like that color as well) but I have not seen this one in person yet. I think I can get them down on the farkled one. I am thinking $14,800 with all the farkles. My major concern is not sure the Yamaha bags are the ones I would choose if the bike was naked and I was choosing the farkles and feel the same about the Skid Plate and Engine Guard.

I am sure you may be wondering how I liked my ride. Well in short I liked it. It was mid 50 with a strong 20 to 30 wind out of the south. I took for a short twenty minute ride on some back roads near the dealer. Reminded me a lot of my GS. The bike had about 330 miles so was not broke in yet. I did not notice any vibration that would bother me at all - just enough I knew I was riding a motorcycle but not any more. It was in touring mode and did not feel snappy when you grabbed a handful - I think others have mentioned that issue - maybe the sport mode or maybe needed the ECU flashed. I there where a lot more RPMs left so I am sure she would get up and go when needed. She seemed to gain speed in a very relaxed fashion - did not really take any time to get to 75 - the bike was so relaxed about getting there made if feel slower then I think it really was. Seating position - the seat - bar position all where darn near perfect for my size and height and long legs. Felt like I had plenty of room - I have missed that for a while - most bikes are not made for long legged folk like me. 20 min is too short to tell how she would feel after an hour in the saddle but I am guessing pretty darn good. The strong side gust I felt on my ride where noticeable but pretty much a none issue. Tall bikes are always at a disadvantage - I think was less affected by wind then my Multi - she was easy for the wind to blow around. So again to make a long story short I liked it - I think if I rode it more I would like it even more.

I still want to ride a GS800 ADV and a standard 1200GS I think I will pass on the 800XC excess engine heat is something I do not want.

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Old 03-17-2014, 04:32 PM   #20
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I have an 800XC and live in Florida and I don't have an issue with the heat. Never bothered me. However at the time I bought my XC if I could have had a S10 for the same price, no question the S10 would have come home with me. There was a $3k difference for me and that made it out of my budget.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:45 PM   #21
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I got to test ride an 1190 R and after 5 minutes idling, (waiting for the dealer escort), it was a like sitting on an oven. Anything under 25Mph, I felt the heat mainly off of the left side. Anytime I was stopped at a light or stop sign, it got very hot. It was maybe 70 degrees out. There were no indications of it overheating on the dash, but damn!!! I loved the power, but I don't like ktm reliability (or lack thereof) or the price here (nearly $20k, otd). But it sure makes me smile like a hipster doofus!

The Yamaha is heavier, but it's better on the road and from what I've experienced (very little) and have read, it gets the job done offroad.
Yeah, I have a feeling I would hate that when it's 117F here in the summer.
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:11 PM   #22
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Since you picked such a widely varying (performance and price-wise) array of bikes to include in your subject line, I'd normally advise you to ignore all of us and just test ride everything you can get your hands on. Add the Tiger XC, r12GSw and Caponord to your list. Hell, try the Stelvio too. Only you can tell what you really like.

IMHO, the f800gs will feel very anemic if you ever want to go more than 80. If you're not an off-road rider, at least skip the GS model in favor of the GT, but I still think you'll hate the blandness of the motor after having a Ducati.

However, if you sort of liked the Tenere on the test ride and are seriously considering it, just go ahead and skip the test rides on the GSw, 1190, Caponord and Tiger XC. Since you're coming off a multistrada, you've obviously been sucked in by performance and great handling beforehand, so you absolutely must avoid riding these other bikes at all cost.
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:00 AM   #23
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Since you picked such a widely varying (performance and price-wise) array of bikes to include in your subject line, I'd normally advise you to ignore all of us and just test ride everything you can get your hands on. Add the Tiger XC, r12GSw and Caponord to your list. Hell, try the Stelvio too. Only you can tell what you really like.

IMHO, the f800gs will feel very anemic if you ever want to go more than 80. If you're not an off-road rider, at least skip the GS model in favor of the GT, but I still think you'll hate the blandness of the motor after having a Ducati.

However, if you sort of liked the Tenere on the test ride and are seriously considering it, just go ahead and skip the test rides on the GSw, 1190, Caponord and Tiger XC. Since you're coming off a multistrada, you've obviously been sucked in by performance and great handling beforehand, so you absolutely must avoid riding these other bikes at all cost.
I do not think my selection is that diverse. My multi was maybe 90 something to the rear wheel - the 800 is rated at 85 as was my 2003 GS which I thought was fine - and it weights more then the 800GSA. The XC is the power champ for its size. All of these bikes are adventure bikes all are capable of going off road although to various degrees. :

The super ten caught my eye because it does have such a stellar rep for reliability and low maint costs.

I do plan on riding everyone I am really serious about owning. But my guess is I will like all of them. I think how the bike fits me will way heavily in my decision. Cost will be a factor as well. If money was no issue at all I would get a fully loaded 1200 GS adventure. But 20k is really more then I want to spend. 16k no farkles is about as high as I want to go. I can fudge a little but do not want to fudge much. 12k for 2013 super ten seems like a lot bounce for the buck. So that is why I am giving them a hard look.
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Old 03-18-2014, 06:29 AM   #24
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Interesting comparison from the latest MCN issue, in case anyone is interested:

http://mobileservices.texterity.com/...=1395031910000
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:26 AM   #25
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Interesting comparison from the latest MCN issue, in case anyone is interested:

http://mobileservices.texterity.com/...=1395031910000
Interesting indeed, thanks for posting that link.....

I do wish the reviewers would take into account purchase price and cost of ownership.

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Old 03-18-2014, 03:12 PM   #26
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Interesting indeed, thanks for posting that link.....

I do wish the reviewers would take into account purchase price and cost of ownership.

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Standouts include the S10, R1200GS and the Tiger800XC, with them liking the Tiger all round the best.

You can figure all the prices yourself and your intended use.

The little Tigger and the S10 were on the top of my list, but where I live the XC prices are a bit silly and I am more a touring guy with two up as well often, that often has long (500km) dirty roads to deal with, rather than a dirt rider that has a bit of slab to do.

You just have to pick your poison. If you do bugger all dirt the the Big Tigger would probably come more into its own.

And as far as the KTM goes off road they out class me by a long way and I could never really use them. I want an easy to use tourer in the dirt not a fast one. The 990 especially would be writing a cheque that my talent couldn't cash, the 1190 would be similar in some respects but getting closer.
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:36 PM   #27
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My 2 cents

I'm in your position right now. For about the past month I've been taking a look at the same bikes trying to decide what I like and what will fit my riding needs best. I've mostly considered the f800 and the 800 tiger. Nothing against Suzuki but the dealer network near me is awful and I just don't care for the looks of the vstrom. I didn't really consider the S10, 1200 tiger or R1200. For me I wasn't looking for that big of a bike. So far I've only riden a demo f800. It's a big step up from all of my previous bikes, so I absolutely loved it. I do want to ride a R1200 and Super T (1200 tiger didn't feel like a good riding position on the dealer floor compared to the other 2 so I don't plan on demoing that one) before I make a decision as the big bikes might grow on me once I ride them. BUT after everything I've read and heard I think I'll end up on a new 800 tiger. It seems like what will suit me best. Hope this makes sense to you or helps you someway. Cheers on getting a new bike!
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:11 PM   #28
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I really wanted to like the tiger 800 when it came out, but I commute regularly on my bike, and in stop and go traffic the one I test rode gave off enough heat to make the day feel 5 deg F hotter. Interestingly the larger Tiger 1050 I rode right afterward ran nice and cool. Maybe it was just the particular one at that dealer, I haven't tested another one since, but its something to keep in mind and check for yourself.
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Old 03-18-2014, 10:10 PM   #29
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Interesting comparison from the latest MCN issue, in case anyone is interested:

http://mobileservices.texterity.com/...=1395031910000
Good article. I've been a Motorcycle Consumer News subscriber for about ten years...

I came off of a 1000 Multi S and have a 2012 Tiger 800 XC. Love the bike. I bought mine slightly used - 345 miles on it and $1k of extras for $10.2k. Once I rode it, it was an easy decision.

Ride them all then decide.

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Just don't test ride the 1190 unless you really are considering one...
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