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Old 04-05-2014, 04:51 AM   #16
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Somebody correct me here if I'm wrong.

The wire to the solenoid terminal is hot 100% of the time. You disconnect a live wire to insulate it, because it is too much work to disconnect the negative terminal at the battery?
On the 1150GS, the battery is under the fuel tank. Fuel tank holds 30 litre of fuel or roughly 55lbs. Puttig a piece of tape on the wire near the starter is easier.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:25 AM   #17
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Appreciate the photos. Had the dreaded starter squeal so last winter i did a slight clean without the total disassembly. Solved the problem but your job looks like a better way of doing things.
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Old 04-05-2014, 09:34 AM   #18
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Somebody correct me here if I'm wrong.

The wire to the solenoid terminal is hot 100% of the time. You disconnect a live wire to insulate it, because it is too much work to disconnect the negative terminal at the battery?

If you should happen to touch ground, you will quickly wish you had taken more time. The Arabs have a wonderful expression for this type of action....

"It is like licking honey from the edge of a razor"
You're not wrong and that wire to the solenoid is capable of carrying lots of current...enough to weld with.

But, in defense of Lee, he seems to understand the danger and took precautions and no battery or motorcycle was harmed in the making of the post.

But, Bill, I agree with you....we would have disconnected the negative (-) at the battery.

Now, about that oil...does anybody change viscosity from winter to summer?
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:35 PM   #19
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On the 1150GS, the battery is under the fuel tank. Fuel tank holds 30 litre of fuel or roughly 55lbs. Puttig a piece of tape on the wire near the starter is easier.

First I would like to say that I also disconnect the wire at the starter, but saying this is easier after mentioning that there is 55lbs of flammable liquid right above possible source of (big) sparks will not bode well for the safety crowd.
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Old 04-05-2014, 05:10 PM   #20
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First I would like to say that I also disconnect the wire at the starter, but saying this is easier after mentioning that there is 55lbs of flammable liquid right above possible source of (big) sparks will not bode well for the safety crowd.
It is easier. It is safe. And it is no risk. People who doubt their mechanical abilities should keep away from wrenching ;-)
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Old 04-07-2014, 03:59 AM   #21
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It is easier. It is safe. And it is no risk. People who doubt their mechanical abilities should keep away from wrenching ;-)
I've worked on live electrical circuits standing on an iso mat, wearing rubber electrical gloves with leather outers and a flash guard. I fully understand how to work live and the hazards of not.

Nothing to do with doubting ones abilities, it's all about understanding the risk of accidental grounding. You say there is no risk, I say there is. Good luck in the future mon ami!!
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:27 AM   #22
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For 70$ buy a new one. Had one on my bike for 65k miles with no problems.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-BMW-...a4ea96&vxp=mtr
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:17 AM   #23
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I've worked on live electrical circuits standing on an iso mat, wearing rubber electrical gloves with leather outers and a flash guard. I fully understand how to work live and the hazards of not.

Nothing to do with doubting ones abilities, it's all about understanding the risk of accidental grounding. You say there is no risk, I say there is. Good luck in the future mon ami!!
I too have worked on live equipment with the right safety gear.

I would say in this case it is a calculated risk.
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Old 04-07-2014, 07:18 AM   #24
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For 70$ buy a new one. Had one on my bike for 65k miles with no problems.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-BMW-...a4ea96&vxp=mtr
China quality (?) with no replacement parts. Hit and miss.
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:52 PM   #25
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I've worked on live electrical circuits standing on an iso mat, wearing rubber electrical gloves with leather outers and a flash guard. I fully understand how to work live and the hazards of not.

Nothing to do with doubting ones abilities, it's all about understanding the risk of accidental grounding. You say there is no risk, I say there is. Good luck in the future mon ami!!
Years ago, dad and I rewired the house without disconnecting the 120VAC 'cause mom wanted to watch TV. We pulled wire through rigid conduit and made connections on live circuits. I got nipped once, dad never got so much as a tingle. Of course, his profession was electrical engineer and he designed power plants for a living so he did know what he was doing.
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:57 PM   #26
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The spinning without engaging is usually the failure of the one way roller clutch in the starter drive.

You can buy them

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Old 04-07-2014, 07:04 PM   #27
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For 70$ buy a new one. Had one on my bike for 65k miles with no problems.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-BMW-...a4ea96&vxp=mtr
Few boxer owners need new starters.

Few boxer owners remove and rebuild their own OE starters.

Few OE starters are damaged beyond repair.

Most BMW boxer OE starters can be repaired to factory new condition, maybe even better.

Parts for the OE starter are available.

Replacing a repairable starter is a waste of money.

I've said enough.
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:08 AM   #28
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The spinning without engaging is usually the failure of the one way roller clutch in the starter drive.

You can buy them

Rod

This I can understand.
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:31 AM   #29
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Few boxer owners need new starters.

Few boxer owners remove and rebuild their own OE starters.

Few OE starters are damaged beyond repair.

Most BMW boxer OE starters can be repaired to factory new condition, maybe even better.

Parts for the OE starter are available.

Replacing a repairable starter is a waste of money.

I've said enough.
Ahh..Def, price what it costs to rebuild that starter using OEM parts and get back with me. Those that want to enjoy the mechanical satisfaction of repairing a starter, enjoy. I ride my bike everyday and the ability to buy a cheap replacement that bolted right in and continues to work years later makes sense for me.
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:43 AM   #30
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I greased mine, it was good, then it stuck again, greased it again......... eventually then I CLEANED it in detail, light lube never given issues since, over lubing with sticky grease is a bad idea
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