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Old 07-18-2014, 05:26 PM   #76
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Thanks Earling... Im still head scratchin a little as to how the bike will react in down-hill descent. Seems "engine braking" is a different feeling and situation with the 'Kluse...

If the bike is going to "roll like a ball" down hill, I'm concerned. Blipping the throttle while down hill in order to enguage the drivetrain sounds counter-intuitive.... But what the hell do I know!
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:33 PM   #77
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Thanks Earling... Im still head scratchin a little as to how the bike will react in down-hill descent. Seems "engine braking" is a different feeling and situation with the 'Kluse...

If the bike is going to "roll like a ball" down hill, I'm concerned. Blipping the throttle while down hill in order to enguage the drivetrain sounds counter-intuitive.... But what the hell do I know!
It is a valid concern, but one that you will find moot, in all practicality. I was in the same boat, as they asked me to beta for them, I do these steep descents. After trying it a few times, I was convinced that in all practicality, you will not disengage the EXP. How far from El Paso are ya...????
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:12 PM   #78
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Just for clarification, the red springs are a softer spring, which creates an earlier engagement. As to downhill free wheeling? I have never had it with the GS running the red springs, I have tried to induce it as sometimes rolling down gravel roads it would be nice. Clutch in, idle, ease clutch out, and the clutch will still engage. My EXC OTOH? Easy to do and nice when I want it.

Wait till y'all use it on the trail
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:37 PM   #79
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Luna Park!! cool area!
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:42 PM   #80
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Luna Park!! cool area!
Did ya go through there, last time....??? It is a great close by area for us. Continue up a bit further to Spring time Camp ground.... Anything to get out of the heat.
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:56 PM   #81
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Yes Erling...been through there many times... Even slept in the shallow cave in Luna, hiked Spring time and climbed the huge boulders. Also of course Montecello Canyon! This entire area is my kids favorite area of the Southwest. We go every year (with the kids) and I ride it every year with my Adventure Rider buds.
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Did ya go through there, last time....??? It is a great close by area for us. Continue up a bit further to Spring time Camp ground.... Anything to get out of the heat.
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:23 PM   #82
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Yes Erling...been through there many times... Even slept in the shallow cave in Luna, hiked Spring time and climbed the huge boulders. Also of course Montecello Canyon! This entire area is my kids favorite area of the Southwest. We go every year (with the kids) and I ride it every year with my Adventure Rider buds.
Airport stop...
Ha ha ha... TCS airport. I knew you had ridden the box, but did not know that you rode up through Luna to Spring time. Next time you are in the area.... please let me know. I will ride up and meet. Can show ya a few more secret trails....
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Old 07-23-2014, 01:52 AM   #83
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Just installing the toy. I noticed that there are green dots at the friction plates but installation manual doesn't say a word for they meaning. Do they indicate the installation direction somehow i.e. facing away or towards you? Also installation manual indicates some "part numbers" like friction disk #63 but can't find the numbers at the disk or anywhere else. If there is no meaning for these markups, they should be left out - they are confusing.

By the way: OEM steel disks must be installed sharp edge towards the engine (towards the bottom of the clutch basket) - at least according to BMW repair manual.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:24 AM   #84
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Just installing the toy. I noticed that there are green dots at the friction plates but installation manual doesn't say a word for they meaning. Do they indicate the installation direction somehow i.e. facing away or towards you? Also installation manual indicates some "part numbers" like friction disk #63 but can't find the numbers at the disk or anywhere else. If there is no meaning for these markups, they should be left out - they are confusing.

By the way: OEM steel disks must be installed sharp edge towards the engine (towards the bottom of the clutch basket) - at least according to BMW repair manual.
I have not seen any dots on the thin friction discs before. I will ask. On both the discs, and drive plates, it does not matter which way is in or out. If you want to follow BMW install regarding the sharp edges, then that is fine too. I see no reason to have then in or out. I think the dots are tooling marks, but I will ask.
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Old 07-30-2014, 11:41 PM   #85
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I have both nuts on the top of the clutch cable perch. None on the bottom. I use medium tension, and get engagement at 1650 rpm. Usually you should see a little more drag at idle until the engine reaches full operating temp, then you should have a little less drag.
Rekluse needs to put that in the manual for the F800! I installed it today but thought I screwed something up because I had to take up so much cable play.
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Old 07-31-2014, 02:01 AM   #86
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Old 07-31-2014, 06:11 AM   #87
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Rekluse needs to put that in the manual for the F800! I installed it today but thought I screwed something up because I had to take up so much cable play.
I have suggested that they do for a while, along with a correction to their official install video, as it wrongly tells you to torque the clutch cover in a " star pattern " which is very incorrect,and can result in cover varpage. I guess they have not changed it. Sorry not much more I can do.
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:48 AM   #88
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star pattern?


I went around the cover clockwise from the shifter. Nip them first go, slight tension second go, rattle gun on the third.
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:35 AM   #89
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I went around the cover clockwise from the shifter. Nip them first go, slight tension second go, rattle gun on the third.
A star pattern is referred to like the way, or sequence you torque the wheel lugs on your car.
BMW has a specific pattern to torque this cover, and I asked that Rekluse put that in, but they did not. Not yet at least.
I use a photo from a fellow inmate here. I believe it is from lost riders clutch thread. I do believe, I pictured it in my video....so ya can pause the video. If you don't use this pattern, Joel Weissman once said that cover could either warp, or/and you can starve the oil to the cylinders through the little hole in the front, so it is important.
I think torque is 12 NM....so easy with the rattle gun, my dear infantryman....
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Old 08-01-2014, 05:55 PM   #90
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But no bolt I ever put in with the rattle gun has come loose on me. It's actually a standard screw gun, not a full size rattle gun.

You'd seriously have to go nuts to warp the cover. Given the close tolerances, the fit, and the very thin gasket, a gradual torquing working around the cover wont kill it.

I used to use all the fancy torque wrenches when I worked commissioning wind turbines, but now I use my torque sensing wrist.
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