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Old 07-06-2014, 03:30 PM   #661
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+1, resale value is affected for everyone, bike shops are aware and are reluctant to deal in second hand 1190's because of this. We've all seen about $6k wiped of the value of our 'bikes through this one issue. That's why either KTM need to step up to the mark and recall all 'bikes and resolve the airbox filter problem once and for all, worldwide. And since they seem unwilling or unable to do that, then what should owners do about it? I suggest action through the courts but other inmates - even those with trashed engines - seem unwilling to go down that route.
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Old 07-06-2014, 04:40 PM   #662
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Yes please

A very specific number
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Old 07-06-2014, 04:54 PM   #663
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A class action lawsuit - that's a great idea! Make some lawyer rich and give KTM a way out...Brilliant!

Zorba The Magnificent Speaketh...you dare question the Great and Powerful Zorba?? If The Zorbster says you've lost 6 grand on your bike, you've lost 6 grand.

Look at the bright side...that kind of loss would put me in the negative! I'd have top pay someone to take it away!

Just kiddin Ron...don't get twisted.
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:13 PM   #664
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The sad thing is how many

People that have this bike do not know about this problem. I know many people are on this site but I'm sure there are many many more that are not. Ktm does need to step up and do something other than a dumb air filter. What are us dumb chumps to do.

Ducati had an expanding tank problem that went to court and the tanks were all replaced with a " new material" I don't think it helped in the long run. Yes the stupid lawyers get rich but that's not my concern. I want an air box that does not need aftermarket parts to function correctly . Yes it's a 65 dollar part on an 18k bike it's not the money it's the point that they did a shit job on the air box ( not a minor part) and after two years it's still not fixed.

Yes have a uni in it from 0 so I'm not loosing sleep over it . They need to fix it for everyone not just the informed
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:42 PM   #665
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No, they were not. The C.A.L. did more than make the lawyers rich...it also enacted a deadline for Ducati to warranty said gas tanks on $20,000 Multistradas. After that date, you are SOL.

Notice I said warranty...not replace. It still wasn't a recall, so it accomplished sweet F.A.

So really, hate me or love me for posting in this thread, whatever...but Zorby, drop the Class Action BS.
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:47 PM   #666
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Yea thought that was the case .

Got my tank ( fixed) caswell coated the new one :)
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:51 PM   #667
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But you're right...same deal there. All the Multi owners who don't hang around online wondering why their bodywork doesn't fit anymore are gonna eat it come resale time.
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Old 07-06-2014, 05:56 PM   #668
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No, they were not. The C.A.L. did more than make the lawyers rich...it also enacted a deadline for Ducati to warranty said gas tanks on $20,000 Multistradas. After that date, you are SOL.

Notice I said warranty...not replace. It still wasn't a recall, so it accomplished sweet F.A.

So really, hate me or love me for posting in this thread, whatever...but Zorb, drop the Class Action BS.

I'm going to have to agree here with the cynical Mr Racer. As much as I'm frustrated with my home country of USA with how sue happy we have become, it seems we are the least squeaky of anyone. If you buy a new model KTM and expect to not have to do your homework beforehand, you have no business buying a KTM. Its a freaking race bike, not a Toyota Camry. Install the Unifilter, ride the bike, and be happy. This thread is so far out in left field it should be locked.
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Old 07-06-2014, 06:10 PM   #669
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I'm going to have to agree here with the cynical Mr Racer. As much as I'm frustrated with my home country of USA with how sue happy we have become, it seems we are the least squeaky of anyone. If you buy a new model KTM and expect to not have to do your homework beforehand, you have no business buying a KTM. Its a freaking race bike, not a Toyota Camry. Install the Unifilter, ride the bike, and be happy. This thread is so far out in left field it should be locked.
Wrong. KTM is marketing the 1190 series as a rough'n tough graveltouring sport touring device in the BMW GS market segment.

There's also no substance behind claiming a 24 bolt- and tank removal process to gain access to the flawed filterbox is making this a "race bike".

Therefore the KTM factory followup is in direct comparison and competition with ditto for the BMW GS series.

On a race bike like my 690 Rally Replica access to air filter is a simple Dzuz twist and seat removal.
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Old 07-06-2014, 06:40 PM   #670
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Wrong. KTM is marketing the 1190 series as a rough'n tough graveltouring sport touring device in the BMW GS market segment.

There's also no substance behind claiming a 24 bolt- and tank removal process to gain access to the flawed filterbox is making this a "race bike".

Therefore the KTM factory followup is in direct comparison and competition with ditto for the BMW GS series.

On a race bike like my 690 Rally Replica access to air filter is a simple Dzuz twist and seat removal.


Okay, race bike is a bit tongue in cheek. Perhaps "hot rod" is more accurate. The 990 is based on the Dakar Rallye design but was sold as a "travel" bike as well. (with a "ready to race" slogan...) After riding both bikes I believe the 1190R is every bit as "race" worthy. Thats neither here nor there though and is only an opinion and not fact.

I'm just confused how the thread morphed from a discussion about methods to fix a flawed air box design to a piss-and-moan festival.

I have a feeling KTM will eventually issue a recall if enough reports of dusted engines occur. I'm curious what that number is. From the "are you happy with your 1190" thread it appears only about 6-7 percent of owners aren't thrilled with their bike, regardless of air box design.
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Old 07-06-2014, 06:57 PM   #671
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Did a fantastic

350 miles of road and dirt today. The bike is fucking fantastic. 4000 miles of joy for sure. I do still have that little twinge in the back of my brain riding in dusty conditions.
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Old 07-06-2014, 07:11 PM   #672
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350 miles of road and dirt today. The bike is fucking fantastic. 4000 miles of joy for sure. I do still have that little twinge in the back of my brain riding in dusty conditions.
+1 175 miles of high speed dirt and road today but its getting too hot here. Probably need a new problem thread for this but anyone else getting the head shake at 110mph + ?
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+1 175 miles of high speed dirt and road today but its getting too hot here. Probably need a new problem thread for this but anyone else getting the head shake at 110mph + ?
Your front wheel may be out of balance or your headstock has play. Those have been the most common causes for the headshake.
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Old 07-07-2014, 06:21 AM   #674
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anyone else getting the head shake at 110mph + ?
Yeah, but she settles in around 130 and runs smooth well beyond that! :-)

As mentioned earlier. If you have not tightened the head bearing nut yet nows a good time.

Like others, dirt rides have been no issue with the UNI and duct tape. Zero dust in the air box after 140 mile desert ride all off road and crazy dusty. About 60 miles was in sport with tc off since we just came off Tarmac and i forgot to switch to off-road mode, now that was sketchy...and quite fun!
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Old 07-07-2014, 09:54 AM   #675
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350 miles of road and dirt today. The bike is fucking fantastic. 4000 miles of joy for sure. I do still have that little twinge in the back of my brain riding in dusty conditions.
I think we all have this and if we ever forget...the GrandZorba will remind us that we should have it (or the atty's phone number on speed dial).
To help with that...I can offer this. I installed a Uni after having dirty butterflies. I first used the socks but then removed them as I also noticed a dulled performance. I then took the bike on a 1800+mile trip across the colorado Backcountry Discovery Route (650 miles+ of dirt) much of it on dusty roads riding 2nd or third in a line of bikes. When I got home, I removed the tank and filter to find this:

Untitled by coloktmGS, on Flickr

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Untitled by coloktmGS, on Flickr

That final one is the 'dirty' side of the filter with the pre filter removed. All in all, butterflies and internals of box were spotless. This was a grueling environment for an air filter and success here has provided me with good piece of mind.

I did find it interesting that the dirt is focused on the lower half of the filter, right where previous videos showed the OEM filter flexing.

To anyone on the fence...buy the Uni and ride the damn thing...

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