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Old 05-16-2014, 09:13 AM   #181
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So this kinda terrifies me, in a good way...



...That, and I found an article about the new 1199 Superleggera with a dyno of 192 HP at the wheel and it should weigh in slightly less than 390 lbs! 50 more HP than my bike, and it weighs over 100 lbs less! If my bike is able to hit Warp Speed 1, this thing must teleport.

It's good to be terrified every once in a while; keeps you alive.

I've always wanted to teleport!!

However, I've always been a little apprehensive about my body parts arriving at my destination all jumbled up...



I suppose that's why I've always stuck to Enduros, Sport Tourers and Big Trailies.

The 2014 KTM 1290 SD has me really wanting a hooligan bike though.

(Probably not really the same as some of the bikes you guys are on about.)
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Old 05-16-2014, 11:43 AM   #182
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It's good to be terrified every once in a while;
The 2014 KTM 1290 SD has me really wanting a hooligan bike though.

(Probably not really the same as some of the bikes you guys are on about.)
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Given that the the 1290 Super Duke R weighs 189kg, and makes about 192 HP with the Akropovic Exhaust alone, that's a near 1:1 power to weight ratio, and probably could reach 200mph if you removed the rev limiter and duct tapped your hands to the handebars, I'd say it's well above the level of the majority of the bikes in this thread.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:32 PM   #183
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So I was talking to the wife about a possible superbike for next summer and she asked me which one I was going to get. Of course after I name off a few she follows up with 'How much do they cost?'. After I tell her how much a Panigale R costs she mentions that it's twice the cost of the GSXR 1000. Then she started quizzing me on the differences.

Now she has me doubting on what bike to wish for. I saw some performance upgrades for the GSXR 1000 that cost any where between $5000 - 10000 and supposedly the upper end will get you to 215 bhp. For a $13,799 Japanese bike even the $10,000 upgrade will be below the Panigale R. Of course the next step after engine mods (or maybe before depending on who you are) the suspension will need an upgrade.

The bottom line that I'm searching for is, "Can the GSXR be upgraded to meet Panigale R specs and cost less?"

Here's some other things to consider:
Weight - 30lb difference (at least)
Looks - Is there anything sexier than the Panigale R?
Electronics - ?? This is a big difference isn't it?
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Old 05-16-2014, 02:34 PM   #184
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So I was talking to the wife about a possible superbike for next summer and she asked me which one I was going to get. Of course after I name off a few she follows up with 'How much do they cost?'. After I tell her how much a Panigale R costs she mentions that it's twice the cost of the GSXR 1000. Then she started quizzing me on the differences.

Now she has me doubting on what bike to wish for. I saw some performance upgrades for the GSXR 1000 that cost any where between $5000 - 10000 and supposedly the upper end will get you to 215 bhp. For a $13,799 Japanese bike even the $10,000 upgrade will be below the Panigale R. Of course the next step after engine mods (or maybe before depending on who you are) the suspension will need an upgrade.

The bottom line that I'm searching for is, "Can the GSXR be upgraded to meet Panigale R specs and cost less?"

Here's some other things to consider:
Weight - 30lb difference (at least)
Looks - Is there anything sexier than the Panigale R?
Electronics - ?? This is a big difference isn't it?
Get an 05/06 GSXR 1000 and throw some aftermarket electronics and suspension at it. For whatever reason people still talk about those bikes in hushed tones, like they were the epitome of superbike development.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:04 PM   #185
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Given that the the 1290 Super Duke R weighs 189kg, and makes about 192 HP with the Akropovic Exhaust alone, that's a near 1:1 power to weight ratio, and probably could reach 200mph if you removed the rev limiter and duct tapped your hands to the handebars, I'd say it's well above the level of the majority of the bikes in this thread.
Well, that settles it then, Sp4rks.

I'm gettin' me one of them there Austrian SuperBikes an' a roll of duck tape.
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:29 PM   #186
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:43 PM   #187
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So I was talking to the wife about a possible superbike for next summer and she asked me which one I was going to get. Of course after I name off a few she follows up with 'How much do they cost?'. After I tell her how much a Panigale R costs she mentions that it's twice the cost of the GSXR 1000. Then she started quizzing me on the differences.

Now she has me doubting on what bike to wish for. I saw some performance upgrades for the GSXR 1000 that cost any where between $5000 - 10000 and supposedly the upper end will get you to 215 bhp. For a $13,799 Japanese bike even the $10,000 upgrade will be below the Panigale R. Of course the next step after engine mods (or maybe before depending on who you are) the suspension will need an upgrade.

The bottom line that I'm searching for is, "Can the GSXR be upgraded to meet Panigale R specs and cost less?"

Here's some other things to consider:
Weight - 30lb difference (at least)
Looks - Is there anything sexier than the Panigale R?
Electronics - ?? This is a big difference isn't it?

well you can get yourself a dam nice japanese bike for the price of the panigale but you will never be able to upgrade it to a frameless design. What do you like about the gsxr? Performance wise they are all splitting hairs anyways so the best way to shop for a literbike is to go ride them all and find the one that fits the best. I think the only thing that rivals the panigales electronics is a BMW s1000rr hp4. If you want to step back from the razors edge of absolute best, there are a lot of options.

cbr1000rr - refined chassis, good midrange power, rides like a 600
zx10r - major hp and good traction control, aiming at the s1000rr
R1 - great street suspension, ok TC, wonderful crossplane motor, a bit heavier on the scales

The other thing about the "sensation" of speed on a literbike is the gearing. They are geared so tall that by the time you let out the clutch and start getting into the powerband in 1st gear, you are already breaking the speed limit. Unless you launch, there is very little brain power going on between 0-60mph. You're rolling along and 50 or 60 and see an open stretch, wack the throttle, and suddenly you are doing triple digits in what seems like half a city block.
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:45 PM   #188
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Given that the the 1290 Super Duke R weighs 189kg, and makes about 192 HP with the Akropovic Exhaust alone, that's a near 1:1 power to weight ratio, and probably could reach 200mph if you removed the rev limiter and duct tapped your hands to the handebars, I'd say it's well above the level of the majority of the bikes in this thread.
I signed up for a test ride next week on the standard superduke, a stupid move since I can't afford one and I pretty much already know what riding one is going to do to me.
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Old 05-17-2014, 12:23 AM   #189
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:42 PM   #190
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So I was talking to the wife about a possible superbike for next summer and she asked me which one I was going to get. Of course after I name off a few she follows up with 'How much do they cost?'. After I tell her how much a Panigale R costs she mentions that it's twice the cost of the GSXR 1000. Then she started quizzing me on the differences.

Now she has me doubting on what bike to wish for. I saw some performance upgrades for the GSXR 1000 that cost any where between $5000 - 10000 and supposedly the upper end will get you to 215 bhp. For a $13,799 Japanese bike even the $10,000 upgrade will be below the Panigale R. Of course the next step after engine mods (or maybe before depending on who you are) the suspension will need an upgrade.

The bottom line that I'm searching for is, "Can the GSXR be upgraded to meet Panigale R specs and cost less?"

Here's some other things to consider:
Weight - 30lb difference (at least)
Looks - Is there anything sexier than the Panigale R?
Electronics - ?? This is a big difference isn't it?

I was liter bike shopping last summer. I checked out what was out there. Go ride a few different ones and see which one trips your trigger. I wouldn't worry so much about the spec sheets. Go try a bunch of them out and see which one speaks to you. Here's my take on what is out there:

I couldn't live with the Panigale and the heat it generated when riding at a slower pace(like when stuck behind a car on a 2 lane road for a while with no place to pass). Absolutely gorgeous looking. Sounded good.

I think the Ape RSV4 and the R1 with an exhaust sound the best. I was worried about reliability on the Ape.

The Japanese liter bikes are all rock solid bikes(never tried the Honda). The R1 feels like a wide bike. I wanted a light and thin bike. The R1 wasn't it. But they sound awesome. Comfy. I like the R1 looks. ZX10R is a great bike. Great power, light feel. Not sure on the ergos for a longer ride. I have always liked the Kawasakis(thus why I kept my ZX12 for so long). The GSXR felt like -well, a GSXR. Telepathic shifter. More comfortable than the ZX10. Handled good. The GSXR's do everything well. Not a standout in any category, but solid.

The S1000RR pulled the hardest when wound to the throttle stop. Feels small like I wanted. I didn't think I would like the ergos on the S1000RR over a 300-400 mile ride(I've only rode one for 20-30 miles at a time).

I fell in love with the KTM RC8R looks and chassis/handling. Feels light and thin. Ergonomics were awesome. The bike is fast, but not awe inspiring like the I4's. It is deceptive in how it builds speed. Doesn't feel fast until you look at the speedo. My buddy's S1000RR will walk away from it in a straight line though. I 'm faster through the mountains on mine vs his. It carves through turns for me. Mine gets far more attention anywhere we stop though...

While I love my RC8R, I would still like to have another I-4 liter bike. The warp speed feeling is a rush. I would probably get a ZX10 or R1(if they put it on a diet next year).
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The VMAX may be quick in a straight line, but it won't compare to a modern sport bike once there is a need to stop or turn. Definitely wouldn't be fun trying to take one around the 'Ring....
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The VMAX may be quick in a straight line, but it won't compare to a modern sport bike once there is a need to stop or turn. Definitely wouldn't be fun trying to take one around the 'Ring....
Oh I 100% agree but for sheer, brutal, straight line power, it's hard to compete - and, even better, they're naked - all the best bikes are :p
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