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Old 07-28-2014, 06:21 PM   #211
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Interesting that the general opinion of the LEO's is that they are not concerned with CCW's. I figured that would be on the list of things they want to know in advance, something to keep in mind thanks!

And since you don't probably don't hear it enough, thanks for serving the community!
If you're up in MI armed, you are required by law to disclose that to the officer. I just hand over the license on top of my driver's license.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:23 PM   #212
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Wouldn't you have to not only find the person who was reported, but also observe the behaviour yourself in order for the state to move forward with prosecution? I would expect DA's to be leery of going forward on moving violations when the only witness is another driver who may or may not show up for court and whose testimony will not have the standing usually enjoyed by police.
In my state, if a witness is deemed "reliable" (meaning we can identify them and they could be subpoenaed to testify in court) then their statements can be used towards prosecution. If the person makes an "anonymous" tip, no such dice.

That said, it usually helps if we can observe the behavior (for obvious reasons).
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:23 PM   #213
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If you want to talk about a subset of people who are *constantly* doing things to catch my attention, then we need to start talking about middle-aged women who drive a prius. Talk about being unaware of their surroundings.

Prius drivers are an automatic red flag in traffic to me.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:24 PM   #214
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In my state, if a witness is deemed "reliable" (meaning we can identify them and they could be subpoenaed to testify in court) then their statements can be used towards prosecution. If the person makes an "anonymous" tip, no such dice.

That said, it usually helps if we can observe the behavior (for obvious reasons).
Which is about what I figured. Thanks. on edit, is that to mean that a defendant wouldn't be able to challenge the witness in court?
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:37 PM   #215
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A question for LEOs, a little long.

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I *never* expect professional courtesy. I've never even contested a ticket that I deserved (was guilty of what I was accused of), I just pay them and go on my way. That said, I've never received a ticket that I thought was unjust either.



In regards to giving professional courtesy, I let civilians go with warnings just as often as I let LEOs go with warnings... everything gets weighed and there are a myriad of reasons why someone does or does not deserve a money ticket. As I said previously in this thread, I've found reasoning and logic to be a much stronger deterrent than hitting someone in the wallet (in the case of the latter they just drive away angry).



That said, LEOs tend to obey the laws... I just don't get a chance to pull many over. If you want to talk about a subset of people who are *constantly* doing things to catch my attention, then we need to start talking about middle-aged women who drive a prius. Talk about being unaware of their surroundings.

Can't ask more than that. Law enforcement should be consistent and impartial.

The only thing I can't understand is those fascist looking uniforms the state troopers wear up there...



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Old 07-28-2014, 06:38 PM   #216
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Which is about what I figured. Thanks. on edit, is that to mean that a defendant wouldn't be able to challenge the witness in court?
Well, there is that whole "right to faced your accused" thing we've got goin' on here... which I think is pretty great.

However, in this case, the "accused" is the Commonwealth (by agent of the executive branch). The rub is that when the officer is asked about "evidence" it's ostensibly hearsay if he or she didn't witness the infraction and the person who did can't be identified and called in to testify.

On a side note: I have noticed while watching Cops (which we affectionately refer to as "training videos" in our Saturday night logs) there are many places where if the victim doesn't want to press charges, then there's nothing the police can do. In MA the police can press charges regardless of the victim's wants and desires as long as the evidence supports probable cause that the crime was committed. That of course is not to say that we don't weigh the perception of the supposed "victim" when investigating potential crimes.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:40 PM   #217
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The only thing I can't understand is those fascist looking uniforms the state troopers wear up there...

-IMAGE OF Mass State Police UNIFORM-
They will be quick to tell you that it was actually the fascists who copied the MSP, not the other way around.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:49 PM   #219
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Prius drivers are an automatic red flag in traffic to me.
Jesus.....in my case, lately, it's been anyone in a Toyota. The "Prius" being the worst exception. Next is Hundai's, why the hell do they want to race with me?
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Jesus.....in my case, lately, it's been anyone in a Toyota. The "Prius" being the worst exception. Next is Hundai's, why the hell do they want to race with me?
They must think they can win
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CCW crowd does not bother me....there should be more. Its the Felons with guys that gets me nervous, or the people that try to hide them.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:59 PM   #222
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Can't ask more than that. Law enforcement should be consistent and impartial.

The only thing I can't understand is those fascist looking uniforms the state troopers wear up there...



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Mass is pretty ordinary compared to Rhode Island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_State_Police
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Mass is pretty ordinary compared to Rhode Island.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_State_Police
Sorry to disagree: "law enforcement should be impartial, etc" THEY ARE HUMAN, just as we are. Not that they should get away with rediculous shit, but still......
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Old 07-28-2014, 07:18 PM   #224
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Thumb Great thread and consistent with my experiences with LEOs.

I've accumulated about 20 tickets over about a 25 year driving history, mostly from the first 4 years of driving. That seems like a lot but consider, I've been pulled over hundreds of times and never had a bad experience with a LEO, other than the ticket itself which I always deserved. I've always been polite and respectful assuming they were just doing their jobs. I figure I've averaged about 1 ticket per 20 stops, not a bad average. I now work for a LE agency as a corrections officer in a small town and most of the officers state similar opinions to those who have volunteered their LEO experience here. 10 over is usually a stop, 15 maybe a ticket, higher and you will get paper. They usually don't really care about paper but as others have stated here it is a good opportunity to check for warrants or other higher level offenses. Many DUI offenses originate as speeding stops and as a dad I'm thankful they are yanking idiots off the road to keep my family safe.

Thank you for your service LEOs and Military, I really appreciate the safe environment you provide for me and my family, especially considering some of the crap I've seen in a lot of the 3rd world countries I've traveled through!
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I've accumulated about 20 tickets over about a 25 year driving history, mostly from the first 4 years of driving. That seems like a lot but consider, I've been pulled over hundreds of times and never had a bad experience with a LEO, other than the ticket itself which I always deserved. I've always been polite and respectful assuming they were just doing their jobs. I figure I've averaged about 1 ticket per 20 stops, not a bad average. I now work for a LE agency as a corrections officer in a small town and most of the officers state similar opinions to those who have volunteered their LEO experience here. 10 over is usually a stop, 15 maybe a ticket, higher and you will get paper. They usually don't really care about paper but as others have stated here it is a good opportunity to check for warrants or other higher level offenses. Many DUI offenses originate as speeding stops and as a dad I'm thankful they are yanking idiots off the road to keep my family safe.

Thank you for your service LEOs and Military, I really appreciate the safe environment you provide for me and my family, especially considering some of the crap I've seen in a lot of the 3rd world countries I've traveled through!
+1 on those comments....even if I do get a ticket tomorrow
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