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Old 07-20-2014, 11:36 PM   #121
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If getting a license here weren't pitifully easy, I'd be all for an American autobahn.
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:41 PM   #122
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If getting a license here weren't pitifully easy, I'd be all for an American autobahn.
Since the majority of accidents occur in intersections not our high speed multilane highways, and also given that the Montana experiment demonstrated that speed does not kill, I'd say you should feel good about agitating for an american autobahn
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:55 AM   #123
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On the bike or in my car, I have three priorities in descending order: 1. arriving safely at my destination, 2. not getting speeding tickets, and 3. getting to my destination as quickly as I can while not compromising the first two points. It has been many years since I received a ticket or even a warning. Plan, you ask?
1. Small towns, where entering posted speed is reduced or leaving where the posted speed is increased later than reasonable. This is where most tickets are issued - not in the middle of the town. If traffic is considerably faster than the posted limit, you are safe on the first two points keeping up with it and maintaining a safe following distance. If no traffic, get down to no more than 10 mph above the speed limit.
2. Highways. Let the locals be your guide. If nobody is exceeding the speed limit by more than 5 mph, there is serious speed enforcement in place. If they are mostly 20 mph above the limit, that is where you should be too for your own safety. Again, don't be the fastest vehicle down the road.
3. Back roads. Maybe 50 miles away from the nearest town (and closer if this is home territory) you can forget speed limits, but don't ignore dips in the road, possible turning vehicles, possible deer, and blind curves - all of which mean, for me, slow down.

If you do get pulled over, lots of good advice here. But also ask yourself, whether you get a ticket or not, whether your speed was really safe for yourself and fellow motorists and simply illegal, or were you gambling lives.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:06 AM   #124
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Since the majority of accidents occur in intersections not our high speed multilane highways, and also given that the Montana experiment demonstrated that speed does not kill, I'd say you should feel good about agitating for an american autobahn
Speed doesn't kill no, but giving your national lack of training and poor testing standards, I'd be very wary of pushing for higher limits.

Think of fog, rain, snow - combine that with higher speed limits, or no limits, and very poorly trained drivers and you've got a recipe for disaster.

IMO you guys need to be pushing for better, mandatory, driving tests rather than for higher speed limits.

After all, before you can run, you've gotta learn to walk.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:10 AM   #125
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Speed doesn't kill no, but giving your national lack of training and poor testing standards, I'd be very wary of pushing for higher limits.

Think of fog, rain, snow - combine that with higher speed limits, or no limits, and very poorly trained drivers and you've got a recipe for disaster.

IMO you guys need to be pushing for better, mandatory, driving tests rather than for higher speed limits.

After all, before you can run, you've gotta learn to walk.
Kick ass sig man.

As for as your post goes,,,,,, we can't even ask for proof of ID when voting without some liberal crying racism. And you think we could ever make getting a DL more involved!
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Old 07-21-2014, 04:35 AM   #126
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Kick ass sig man.

As for as your post goes,,,,,, we can't even ask for proof of ID when voting without some liberal crying racism. And you think we could ever make getting a DL more involved!


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Old 07-21-2014, 04:47 AM   #127
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Since the majority of accidents occur in intersections not our high speed multilane highways, and also given that the Montana experiment demonstrated that speed does not kill, I'd say you should feel good about agitating for an american autobahn
Hell has probably just frozen over. I agree with Illsy.


Speed in itself does not kill. Inappropriate speed kills. Charging into a hazard at a speed where you cannot stop safely on your own side of the road within the distance you can see to be clear, kills. But high speeds on clear autobahns with good visibility by competent drivers with safe vehicles does not kill.
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:55 AM   #128
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The good and bad. Not where I live but in upstate NY rural roads have a 55 limit. 70 probably isn't reasonable because there are still intersections and driveways. You can probably get away with 60-65 most of the time. But when u enter a village it will drop to 25-35 and the Village cops will enforce it! I love the 55 but gotta live with the village as a trade off. You are never gonna get a 40 or above where kids ride their bikes and play ball or where adults walk the dog.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:01 AM   #129
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most of the LEO posting on this thread confirm what I (incapable of going the speed limit) already know.

if your nice and have your shit together you usually get off with a warning or my favorite a non points ticket. for real, if I could just make a yearly contribution to the state for the right to speed everywhere I would.

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Old 07-21-2014, 08:02 AM   #130
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Since the majority of accidents occur in intersections not our high speed multilane highways, and also given that the Montana experiment demonstrated that speed does not kill, I'd say you should feel good about agitating for an american autobahn
Recognize the difference between "majority of accidents" and "majority of FATAL accidents". In Oregon (the region for which I have statistics) most multi-vehicle cage related fatals are some dipshit losing focus and/or control and crossing the centerline. It's not always the cage crossing the line; motorcycles hit more cars than cars hit motorcycles.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:49 PM   #131
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Turned a warning into a ticket.

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I just want to bounce off of your comment to clarify something.

If some guy is a jerk to me on a stop he is more likely to get a ticket, but it's not because I don't like him or because he is disrespecting me. Believe me, I've probably been called worse names by better people.

The reason he is more likely to get a ticket goes back to my theory on changing people's behavior. If he is being a dick to me over a simple traffic stop then the odds of just the stop itself altering his behavior is pretty low.
I've had a few that I intended to give a warning to that have turned that into a ticket. Same theory; it was apparent that the warning wasn't going to change the behavior based on the reaction to the stop and explanation of the violation.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:06 PM   #132
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I've had a few that I intended to give a warning to that have turned that into a ticket. Same theory; it was apparent that the warning wasn't going to change the behavior based on the reaction to the stop and explanation of the violation.
31 yrs on the job. I spent three years riding motors. BTW if a motor pulls you over, you are more likely to get paper. That's their job.
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See that you are up in the NW. I support depolicing Seattle and Portland. Selfish liberals do not deserve law enforcement. I love to hear about about homeless men urinating and defecating all over Pioneer Square and Pike Place Market and the same selfish lib who "hates "police now needs officers to stop the lawlessness.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:06 PM   #133
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Sounds great to me. Might even lead to the creation of, I don't know, public restrooms. And janitor jobs! You know, for the displaced jackboots.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:10 PM   #134
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I've had a few that I intended to give a warning to that have turned that into a ticket. Same theory; it was apparent that the warning wasn't going to change the behavior based on the reaction to the stop and explanation of the violation.
31 yrs on the job. I spent three years riding motors. BTW if a motor pulls you over, you are more likely to get paper. That's their job.

I gotta ask...what behaviour are you guys hoping to change when you pull a guy over for doing 10/15 over?

You can't seriously believe that they're never gonna speed again so it can't be that.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:13 PM   #135
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I gotta ask...what behaviour are you guys hoping to change when you pull a guy over for doing 10/15 over?

You can't seriously believe that they're never gonna speed again so it can't be that.
They won't speed through that spot for a while at least...
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