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Old 08-05-2014, 08:45 PM   #1
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Radar Detectors on motorcycles (2014)

I know this has been covered but technology changes constantly so I thought I'd ask.

Is it true laser detectors are useless on a bike? Why?

Are cops still even using radar?
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:05 PM   #2
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kinda stick to the speed limit ., :0)
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:15 PM   #3
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I'm not sure about laser detectors being useless, or why, but I do know that I received so many false laser alerts with both Escort 8500 that I had, that I shut off the laser feature. To my knowledge, most states still use Ka band radar. Its cheap and effective.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:41 PM   #4
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The red LED tail light will set off a Lazer radar detector. Not all of them but quite a few (LED Tail lights). You can also survive a Lazer trap if you're lucky. It does scatter like conventional radar but I'd say your chances are less than 25% of detecting it.

However, a Lazer trap usually has a guy standing next to his cruiser. If you're observant you can see them working.

Most cruisers use conventional radar. It can be used while in motion and they can sit in their air conditioned cars and work.

With all that, I use a Valentine One. MOST of the time when it goes off I'm doing within an acceptable margin of the speed limit. It's only gone off a couple of times for Lazer and always in the same straight section of road where folks speed.

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Old 08-05-2014, 10:33 PM   #5
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Here's good laser info from Valentine:
http://www.valentine1.com/v1info/wha...dknowlaser.asp

The laser beam scatters very little, so there is little to detect before the laser detects you. If your unit signals a laser, you've probably been clocked.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:57 PM   #6
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lidar has to be stationary and the user has to aim and shoot from front or back.

all of which makes it easy for a moto rider to see, hopefully before he is targeted.

because if its instant on nature, jammers like laser interceptor is the only way other way to fight it.

good thing I see alot of LE leaving their radar on while shooting lidar.
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:02 PM   #7
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Where I live its a $1556 fine if you own a "speed evasion detection device”, another $1556 if you actually use it, and another $1556 if you fail to surrender the device. On top of that you incur 9 demerit points against you licence, plus what you'll get for the speed ticket. Accumulate more than 13 demerit points in any 3 year period and your licence is gone.

Needless to say I don't know anyone around here who uses em.
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Old 08-06-2014, 08:16 AM   #8
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It just seems wrong that the culture of Mad Max and the coolest football is so anti motorist. I mean between hot rods, surfing, cowboys, and rugged individualism....you guys are the closest thing to cultural cousins we Americans have.
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Old 08-06-2014, 04:10 PM   #9
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I have heard (reading up on the Valentine One) that grocery store lasers will set them off. This is part of the Valentine's strategy. With the use of directional arrows, you can watch it switch to the side, then rear as you pass the store. Soon, you have a pretty good understanding of your neighborhood. The Valentine also has the "number of bogies", so if a cop is sitting in that same store parking lot you will know the difference.

I would be very interested to hear from someone who owns one. Does their design really help?

anecdote: I saw a Dodge Viper car club parked, so I went to check them out. Everything from abused cars, to stockers, to highly modifed. 8 out of 10 had Valentine's on the dash boards, one had an Escort, and one had nothing.
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:31 PM   #10
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From my experience all a laser detector will do is let you know that you are caught. The laser will give the police operator an instant speed read in you rather than the old batching effect on radar that would sometimes let you skate if there was a larger/faster vehicle in the same general area.
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Old 08-06-2014, 07:43 PM   #11
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Here's good laser info from Valentine:
http://www.valentine1.com/v1info/wha...dknowlaser.asp

The laser beam scatters very little, so there is little to detect before the laser detects you. If your unit signals a laser, you've probably been clocked.
exactly, in fact laser is a focused beam, that is it's one fault, it must be accurately aimed,

motorcycles have a better chance than cars, they are a smaller object to aim at


top secret formula air force stealth paint might protect you
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I have heard (reading up on the Valentine One) that grocery store lasers will set them off. This is part of the Valentine's strategy. With the use of directional arrows, you can watch it switch to the side, then rear as you pass the store. Soon, you have a pretty good understanding of your neighborhood. The Valentine also has the "number of bogies", so if a cop is sitting in that same store parking lot you will know the difference.

I would be very interested to hear from someone who owns one. Does their design really help?

yes directional arrows are very useful, they tell you when the oncoming cop you just passed turns his rearward facing radar on, do you avoid the I'll go fast now cause I think the only cop in this one horse town is going it the opposite direction

or worse when cops use the tag team method with rearward facing radar, radioing to the cop over the hill without radar that you are coming
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Old 08-07-2014, 11:40 AM   #13
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Yes it gets false alerts
It also warns you guy in front has just been pinged
Also a good time to check speed!!
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:26 PM   #14
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From my experience all a laser detector will do is let you know that you are caught. The laser will give the police operator an instant speed read in you rather than the old batching effect on radar that would sometimes let you skate if there was a larger/faster vehicle in the same general area.
What about the idea that if car in front of you is being targeted, your detector picks up on that?
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:56 PM   #15
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From my experience all a laser detector will do is let you know that you are caught. The laser will give the police operator an instant speed read in you rather than the old batching effect on radar that would sometimes let you skate if there was a larger/faster vehicle in the same general area.
I have personal experience in not being aware that I was over the posted limit when I got hit with laser. It gave me advanced notice to check my speed, slow down, and prepare my speech. Could have gone worse if I had continued at my pace, while the officer got a nice history. I learned then that it is not an entirely useless notification. I've never had a false laser. Currently own an Escort 8500 X50. Yes a motorcycle is a smaller target, but they use a scope to aim. I believe standard procedure is to aim for a front license plate or a headlight. I don't feel less target-able if I'm on a bike. Maybe you get an extra second or two while they attempt to get a read.

All detectors false, especially with radar. Better ones false less, and get better range.
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What about the idea that if car in front of you is being targeted, your detector picks up on that?
The odds of this happening seem so slim that I wouldn't consider it a selling point.

Radar jammers are illegal, but laser jammers are legal in most states. If your primary concern is laser, you may be better of with a jammer than a detector. I've read some Q&A with officers who don't seem to care much about detectors surprisingly. I don't know if they feel the same way about a jammer, even if its legal. http://www.guysoflidar.com/usa-laser-jammer-laws.html Watch out for what you read though. There's a lot of BS and myths in this topic. Even professional BS.
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