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Old 08-07-2014, 03:40 PM   #16
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What about the idea that if car in front of you is being targeted, your detector picks up on that?

That works with radar, it is a broad beam technology. Laser is a focused direct beam with negligible amounts of scattering. There is no batching effect with laser.
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Old 08-07-2014, 07:38 PM   #17
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I'm not sure about laser detectors being useless, or why, but I do know that I received so many false laser alerts with both Escort 8500 that I had, that I shut off the laser feature. To my knowledge, most states still use Ka band radar. Its cheap and effective.

The only time I get false laser alerts is if I am near an airport. Have the 8500 also. I am pretty sure if the laser goes off due to police radar, you are already busted. I turned off X band when I got it about 8-9 years ago as nobody uses X band anymore. Thing has saved my bacon many times.
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:21 PM   #18
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I have a Valentine 1 that I use in my truck as well as on my GSA. Radar detectors in & of themselves will not save you from a ticket.

Knowing how to use it, & traffic, will.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:48 PM   #19
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I'm an LEO, here's my response from another thread....P.S. I have had a great deal of enjoyment from reading the responses in this thread....

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Fair enough then. Fastdadio knows, but for the rest of you, I'm a cop and have been trained and regularly use both radar and laser for speed enforcement. Given that, I'll also say that in the end this is just one pig's opinion. Take it with the appropriately sized grain of salt.

First of all let's discuss laser because that's where most MC speed tickets come from. Laser is virtually instantaneous and pinpoint. No laser detector can tell you of there is a laser speed measuring device in the area because the laser beam is so small. Basically, if your laser detector goes off it's only telling you that you're about to get pulled over (if you were speeding).

Radar is a similar story, but where these devices have a very small chance of saving you. LEO's are trained to NOT activate the radar until they have identified a speeder. This is partly to foil radar detector users and partly because it's unnecessary.

If you sit in one spot for 5 minutes watching traffic, even the untrained eye can spot which cars are faster and LEO's are not only trained at this but spend a lot of time at the same locations doing just this.

If I activate my radar to measure your speed, the odds are very high we're gonna have a chat. So again, the detector only tells you that you're busted.

It is possible that you will find an LEO improperly using the device and measuring the speed of every vehicle, but that would be rare, IMHO.

I am sure many will post about all the times their device went off and then they saw a cop a mile later, but how do you know it was his radar that caused the device to go off and not other interference?

Then there's the intangibles. LEO's have discretion in who gets a ticket. Most LEO's I know write far less tickets then they give out warnings. (unless it's a traffic car, those guys would write there Moms tickets)

But, when you use one of those devices it's viewed by most LEO's as an intent to break the law. Talking your way out of a ticket with a radar detector attached to your bike will be MUCH more difficult, if not impossible.

There's more, but this is already long and I've had this argument before so I know it's impossible to change the mind of real RD believers. For those of you who are considering it, I'd recommend you stay away.

EDIT and P.S.: When I was in the academy the RD our instructor used for training broke so he went down to the local Radio Shack and bought another. He gets it back to school and fires a radar unit at it. Nothing. He goes back and gets another. Same result. He then brings his radar unit to the Radio Shack and tested every unit they had of this high end brand and every unit did nothing when a radar unit was activated at it. He found a cheap one that worked and bought it. How would you know if yours just didn't work?
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:08 PM   #20
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What about the idea that if car in front of you is being targeted, your detector picks up on that?
Actually if there is an LEO up the road using instant on your detector will alert by going on every time he targets someone in front of you then off when he turns his radar off.
I experienced a similar instant on event withe laser running thru Washington State one time. I had plenty of waring to back off.

Biggest danger is if you are the only guy on the road or the first guy, then a detector will not save you from instant on.

OTOH I have been running 10 to 15 miles over at times and am so tuned to the audio warnings that rolling off the throttle has become an immediate Pavlovian response. V1 has saved my butt many times.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:18 PM   #21
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I'm an LEO, here's my response from another thread....P.S. I have had a great deal of enjoyment from reading the responses in this thread....
Meh ... I ride a lot on mountain roads.Most LEOs run with their radar on all the time because they are not going to have time to visually judge and turn their units on coming around bend. V1 is very sensitive. Plenty of warning in the twisties.

When making time on freeways I find a "rabbit" or stay in with the flow of traffic and make sure I'm not the fasted vehicle going down the road.
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Old 08-08-2014, 12:08 PM   #22
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Meh ... I ride a lot on mountain roads.Most LEOs run with their radar on all the time because they are not going to have time to visually judge and turn their units on coming around bend. V1 is very sensitive. Plenty of warning in the twisties.
*sigh*....ok.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:07 PM   #23
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*sigh*....ok.
Mountain roads ... and instant on. Think about it.

Or don't.
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Old 08-08-2014, 02:58 PM   #24
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What about the idea that if car in front of you is being targeted, your detector picks up on that?
the beam is more focused for that to happen, you may pick up a stray signal if the leo holding the laser gun doesn't have a steady hand

the beam is more focused than even the scatter of a shotgun blast
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:52 PM   #25
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It works.
The laser warns you when others are being zapped as well as your self.
It's not a cloaking device but it has saved me way too many conversations about my velocity. Sometimes it will tell you to just pull over and take your lumps. I have found that pulling over as soon as I realize I had been zapped usually gets a no safety award because they did not have to chase me down.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:24 PM   #26
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Fast in the corners slow on some straights or get an older VFR in road paint yellow and stick to the middle . Ride a cop bike some ride ZX1400's and such just be polite they've heard every excuse I've been given warnings at excessive speeds only to end up chatting about bikes.
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:29 PM   #27
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I have a passport 8500ci
On my k1600
Think I have paid for it ten fold in the performance awards I have NOT received
Yes it gets false alerts
It also warns you guy in front has just been pinged
Also a good time to check speed!!
8500ci on mine also. works extremely well if you know how to use a radar. just make sure there is someone up ahead of you so he gets radared first, then your detector will catch it.

laser....your f-ed anyways
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:39 AM   #28
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Short answers:
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Yes laser detectors are useless.
Trained radar operators use radar to merely "confirm" your speeding.
If the officer is running his radar constantly, he's most likely trying to keep everyone slowed down (busy).
Like it or not, If you have a detector you are far more likely to be cited if pulled over.
YOUR EYES SHOULD BE YOUR DETECTOR!
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Old 08-09-2014, 02:45 PM   #29
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Short answers:
(Some have been covered)
Yes laser detectors are useless.
Trained radar operators use radar to merely "confirm" your speeding.
If the officer is running his radar constantly, he's most likely trying to keep everyone slowed down (busy).
Like it or not, If you have a detector you are far more likely to be cited if pulled over.
YOUR EYES SHOULD BE YOUR DETECTOR!
+1. And what Thanantos said too.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:23 PM   #30
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Short answers:
(Some have been covered)
Yes laser detectors are useless.
Trained radar operators use radar to merely "confirm" your speeding.
If the officer is running his radar constantly, he's most likely trying to keep everyone slowed down (busy).
Like it or not, If you have a detector you are far more likely to be cited if pulled over.
YOUR EYES SHOULD BE YOUR DETECTOR!
And never run with scissors.
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